dlish

Has anything ever been done to rid the world of those schools, those Madrassa's (I hope i am spelling that correctly). Instistutional hatred starts very young with arabic children.


yes quite a lot has been done to moderate madrassas after 911. especially in pakistan where the taliban first emerged. i dont think that your comment about institutionalisation of 'arabic children' is acturate at all. all kids are impressionable and many teachers with agendas will teach their pupils what they believe is truth. be it muslim jew christian agnostic gay and lesbian leftist communist buddhist hindu animist...need i go on.

my point? its not just arabic kids being brainwashed. i was brainwashed as a kid when i went to school here in australia. they kept telling me how brave and righteous our soldiers were in gallipoli..yes they were brave. it was only later when i read into it that i realised that the world war wasnt righteous at all.. does that mean that aussie kids are institutionalised and hate all things foreign? sure, its one sided, but lets not generalise that arab kids are taught hate at a young age. the same could be said about every other race religion or creed.

dlishsguy- send me your addy and i'll forward it to Oslo for consideration.

ill send it in private msg... just dont pass it on to mossad

But seriously, Israel's killing of the innocent children tears at me horribly. Why? first, it's tragic to the extreme. Second, that is NOT how jews think or wish to act. Killing is breaking one of the ten commandmants. Not a good thing. Remember what i said earlier; There is nothing more painful to a jewish parent than the loss of his/her child. Personally, I would choose my own death if it would protect my children if such a situation arose.


killing innocent civilians isnt sanctioned by islam either contrary to what many may believe. theres a verse in the koran that states that if you kill someone, it is like you have killed all of humanity. that is the importance that islam puts on human life.
Why cant arab's feel the same way? Why cant hezbollah respect their own countrymen, their own people, their own neighbors? Why do they allow such brutalities to occur to their own people?

like i said in an earlier post.. they're nutcases. simple. they dont have the support of most of the lebanese, but with continued bombings, israel only strengthens the resolve of hezbollah. people dont see hezbollah as their champions, but they'd arther side with hezbollah rather than a neighbour thats bombing the crap out of them.
Ok, you say hizbollah is a rag tag army. Get them all together, get them away from all civilians and then have at it. That's one solution. But they will never do it. They prefer screaming headlines, "Israel bombs mosques', "Israel bombs house with children in it".

like i said..both sides are sensationalists. ive been reading both sides of the news. in israeli news only stoires of grief in haifa.. in arabic news only stories of grief in lebanon. get my drift? the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

You talked about Israel trying to play the high road, using the past injustices as a means for this onslaught. But what do you call how hizbollah operates? They know they are going to be attacked but they choose to hide with the very youngest and oldest, the most vulnerable. So, who's the culpable party here? Who's is trying to play the media here?

of course they are playing the media. but israel helps them achieve their goals when you kill 60 odd lebanese in a single bombing.
God, i wish we had some answers.

just a question..why didnt you say G_d? just curious...

But Israel explained what they did what they did last night. That area was filled with arms, militants, etc etc etc. I have no idea if this is true or if it just propoganda. I can only hope and pray that the latter is true. Otherwise, it's just state-sanctioned murder. Israel was NOT built to allow that.

ive heard a few stories now..israel is saying hizbollah may have bombed it themselves, and if hizbollah didnt bomb it themselves then they are to blame anyways cos they started this thing. barely logical.

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see..most lebanese are sick of war. as you'd know they are still recovering from war. so to 'rock the boat' so to speak and plummet the country back another 50 years is ok by some in the west. but we realllly dont need that now. within 3 weeks we have taken lebanon back 20 years now.



I know that this is horrible. How can anyone deny it? On the surface, the wanton destruction of Lebanese infrastructure is insane. But when you look at it from a miliatary and political view, it makes sense. For thousands of years, armys/countries at war have always destroyed civilian's as a means to force their gov't to try to stop whatever conflict/war that was going on. Perfect example: Sherman's march to Atlanta. The union soldiers burned, stole, murdered, raped and pillaged their way through the south, leaving nothing left.

Israel is doing the same thing but, sadly, tragically, that strategy wont have the same effect. The intensity of the arabic hatred is only rising. Hatred of Israel is at an all time high, if that is even possible. So, current Israeli strategy is not even close to being in the best interests of Israel.


couldnt have said it any better myself. pillaging is definately not the way to go when the worlds media is watching. israel and the USA has lost a lot of supporters in the last 3 weeks i must say. especially crucial arab support among allied arab nations.


I just wish someone, anyone, knew and could implement a permanent, rationale, working solution. I just dont know if it could ever happen.

are you questioning my nobel prize?
But what else can Israel do? How can they stop these militants from attacking Israel whenever and whereever they want? I dont mean to sound mean or vindictive but do YOU have an answer on how to stop these daily attacks?

yeah..its called an immediate ceasefire. israel is by far more superior in every sense of the word. does that firepower scare hizbollah fighters in taking up arms? or alqaeda fighters taking up arms against the coalition forces? or why palestinian youths throw stones at israeli armoured tank? no. you ask why? most of these fighters have nothing to lose. so if a condition was created where these people had something to live for, im more than certain that they would come to the party. i read a book by karen armstrong called 'the battle for god' which looks at religious fundamentalism. im sure most of you should know who she is. it'd recommend it to anyone.

Diishguy, you failed to answer one issue i raised. Prior to this war, the daily rocket attacks, the suicide bombers. How many countries on this planet have to deal with that every day? In your case, what would John Howard and the aussie govt. do if Australia was attacked every single day by a foreign country or foreign extremists? I doubt they would just throw another shrimp on the barbie.


well.. i thank god that i live in a country that shares no borders. though i think aussies are scared shitless that if one day indonesia decided to attack, we'd be finished, hence our strong alliance and unquestionable allegiancy with the USA. indonesia being a muslim country..and myself being a muslim. if they attacked, i know i'd be fighting for my country...after we're done with indonesia, we'd throw a shrimp on the barbie


just a question though..how do arabs living in haifa feel about being bombed?



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ok i was just watching an interview with thomas friedman, writer of From Beirut to Jeruslaem. Thomas Friedman, as you may or may not know, is a decorated New York Times columnist and he has great kowledge of the middle east, spending many years there since the 80s or so. he said that he was in syria talking to three journalists. one wanted the complete destruction of israel. the other, as he put it, got a "buzz" from watching hezbollah fight israel. the final journalist said that hezbollah and nasrallah is a menace. three verying opinions. then he commented that too many people in the arab world get the same buzz as the second reporter and have similar hopes as the first reporter and that they need to get over it. he said there will be no new middle east when people like Rafik Hariri, who in my opinion was one of the most progressive and hopeful minds in the middle east, get assassinated and "old-timers" liek nasrallah keep their shit up. he said that these people need to get over their hate and idea of destruction (both ideological and physical) destruction of israel and concentrate on building and moving forward. he also said that the cycle of violence needs to stop because all it does is continue this pattern.

then earlier in the day, i saw comments from the ambrassador of lebanon to the U.S. say that Nasrallah has his respect and the president of lebanon himself has said he holds nasrallah in high regards and that he upholds "arab honor" in the middle east. this is exactly what Friedman was saying. they need to let go of this hope of trying to regain arab honor and to bounce back from what many arabs se as humiliation after losing wars to israel and concentrate on building up. what has been going on in the middle east clearly doesn't work, so it's time for a change.


this whole shit is too detailed to go into, but the crux of it is this..british colonialism in the arab world fucked everything up. double dealing and installing puppet regimes that could fall over any minute without the help of the USA. the lebanese system is no different.

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