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First, as a follow up to my last post, former U.S. treasury secretary Paul O'Neill may not have realized the impact of what he revealed 2-1/2 years ago, in the book he published about the time he spent in the Bush cabinet. His description of Bush declaring, in the first national security meeting of his presidency, that the M.E. peace process would be abandoned, in favor of a "tilt back toward Israel". The repurcussions of this "tilt" in U.S. policy, described in Bush's rambling, disconnected answer to news reporter Gregory's question, detailed in my last post, have resulted in the irrelevancy of the U.S. in the current conflict between Israel and it's neighbors, and gradually, in Iraq, as well:
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http://www.mclaughlin.com/library/mo...ript.asp?id=33
JOHN MCLAUGHLIN'S "ONE ON ONE"
GUEST: RON SUSKIND, AUTHOR
RE: "THE PRICE OF LOYALTY"
TAPED: THURSDAY, JANUARY 22, 2004
BROADCAST: WEEKEND OF JANUARY 24-25, 2004
MR. MCLAUGHLIN: The price of loyalty. In an extraordinary literary collaboration, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill shared his memories -- plus 19,000 pages of official documents -- with a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter. The resulting book is a first x-ray of the inside of the Bush White House.....
....MR. SUSKIND: It was the first meeting of the National Security Council. The president presided, talked about how the National Security Council works,......
......MR. SUSKIND: And Condoleezza Rice. The president described this is the way it works. He threw it to Condi, said Condi will be managing this process.
And then he set policy right at the start of the administration. He said first off, we're going to pull out of the Arab-Israeli conflict. There's nothing we can do to help those people. He talked about that for a while. Colin Powell expressed immediately reservations, saying if we do this -- this is 30 years of U.S. policy. We have been fully engaged. If we do this, we will unleash Sharon and it will tear the fabric of the Mideast. And the president said at some time, a show of force can be really clarifying. That's not a direct quote, but almost.......
......MR. MCLAUGHLIN: He said Clinton overreached and it all fell apart.
MR. SUSKIND: About the Mideast.
MR. MCLAUGHLIN: That's correct. That's why we're in trouble. If the two sides don't want peace, there's no way we can force them. Then he said that they were going to pull out.
MR. SUSKIND: Powell's concerned.
MR. MCLAUGHLIN: The Arab-Israeli conflict was a mess -- this is your description -- and the United States would disengage. The president stressed that a pullback by the United States would -- no, this is what Powell said -- "would unleash Sharon and the Israeli army." The consequences of that could be dire, he said, especially for the Palestinians. Then at that point, as you pointed out, maybe the best way to get things back in balance is what President Bush said.
MR. SUSKIND: Yeah.
MR. MCLAUGHLIN: Where did you get this -- these direct quotes?
MR. SUSKIND: People in the meeting were quite -- some of them quite stunned at what they heard, and many folks remembered it vividly. And what you have in the book is what they all agree about in terms of what was said.
MR. MCLAUGHLIN: At that point, according to the book, the president turned to Rice: "So, Condi, what are we going to talk about today? What's on the agenda?"
MR. SUSKIND: Mm-hmm.
MR. MCLAUGHLIN: And she says: "How Iraq is destabilizing the region, Mr. President." And you say that that statement sounded to several observers as "scripted exchange." What does that mean?
MR. SUSKIND: Well, it sounded to people in the meeting as though it was, you know, preordained and scripted, meaning that this meeting was going to be about Iraq. Not everyone knew that prior to the meeting, based on the briefing documents that were available. But what became clear immediately at that point is it would be essentially a presentation on Iraq and what to do....
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http://www.issues2000.org/2004/Georg...ign_Policy.htm
President Bush echoed the [pro-Israel] view: 'We're going to correct the imbalances of the previous administration on the Mideast conflict. <h3>We're going to tilt back toward Israel."</h3> Bush continued, 'If the two sides don't want peace, there is no way we can force them.' Colin Powell said, 'a pullback by the US would unleash Sharon and the Israeli army.' ; Bush added, 'Sometimes a show of strength by one side can really clarify things
<b>Source: The Price of Loyalty, by Ron Suskind, p. 71-72 Jan 13, 2004</b>
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.....and Mobo123, please provide one link to a MSM report that supports what you claim Christian Zionism to be motivated by:
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Originally Posted by Mobo123
"F.C's are scared to death that if Muslims take over control of Jersulem, they will stand by their pledge that ONLY muslims will be allowed in. That's the sole and only reason F.C's support Israel. It's certainly not out of love or care for the jews."
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That description seems to be a poorly written cover story for the actual F.C. "madness", quite pervasive goals of "using" the Israelis to bring about the conditions the F.C. believe are necessary to "trigger" their own rapture, and the destruction of most everyone else in the world, including most of the Israelis who they are "using"!
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http://www.statesman.com/opinion/con...2endtimes.html
INSIGHT
It's the end of the world they're trying for
Some Christians, Muslims and Jews share a belief that modern technology and global communications make it possible to induce completion of God's plan within this generation.
By Louis Sahagun
LOS ANGELES TIMES
Sunday, July 02, 2006
<h3>Their end game is to speed the promised arrival of a Messiah.</h3>
....According to various polls, an estimated 40 percent of Americans believe that a sequence of events presaging the end times is under way. Among the believers are pastors of some of the largest evangelical churches in America, who converged at Faith Central Bible Church in Inglewood in February to finalize plans to start 5 million new churches worldwide in 10 years.
"Jesus Christ commissioned his disciples to go to the ends of the Earth and tell everyone how they could achieve eternal life," explained James Davis, president of the Global Pastors Network's Billion Soul Campaign, one of an estimated 2,000 initiatives worldwide designed to boost the Christian population.
"As we advance around the world," Davis said, "we'll be shortening the time needed to fulfill that Great Commission. Then, the Bible says, the end will come."
An opposing vision, invoked by Ahmadinejad in an address before the United Nations last year, suggests that the Mahdi will soon emerge from a well to conquer the world and convert everyone to Islam.
"O mighty Lord," he said, "I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace."
<h3>As mayor of Tehran in 2004, Ahmadinejad spent millions on improvements to make the city more welcoming to the Mahdi, according to a recent report by the American Foreign Policy Center, a nonpartisan think tank.</h3>
Evangelism and Jews
For Christians, the future of Israel is the key to any end-times scenario, and various groups are reaching out to Jews to advance the Second Coming.
A growing number of fundamentalist Christians, mostly in Southern states, are adopting Jewish religious practices to align themselves with prophecies saying that Gentiles will stand with Jews when the end is near.
Evangelist John Hagee of the 19,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio has helped 12,000 Russian Jews move to Israel, and donated several million dollars to Israeli hospitals and orphanages.
"We are the generation that will probably see the rapture of the church," Hagee said, referring to a moment in advance of Jesus' return when the world's true believers will be lifted to heaven.
"In Christian theology, the first thing that happens when Christ returns to Earth is the judgment of nations," said Hagee, who wears a Jewish prayer shawl when he ministers. "It will have one criterion: How did you treat the Jewish people? Anyone who understands that will want to be on the right side of that question. Those who are anti-Semitic will go to eternal damnation."
On July 18, Hagee plans to lead a contingent of high-profile evangelists to Washington to make their concerns about Israel's security known to congressional leaders. More than 1,200 evangelists are expected for the gathering.
"Twenty-five years ago, I called a meeting of evangelists to discuss such an effort, and the conversation didn't last an hour," he said. "This time, I called, and they all came and stayed. And when the meeting was over, they all agreed to speak up for Israel."
Underlining the sense of urgency is a belief that the end-times clock started ticking May 15, 1948, when the United Nations formally recognized Israel.
"I'll never forget that night," Hagee said. "I was 8 years old at the time and in the kitchen with my father listening to the news about Israel's rebirth on the radio. He said, 'Son, this is the most important day in the 20th century.' "
Given end-times scenarios saying that nonbelievers will die before Jesus returns — and that the Antichrist will rule from Jerusalem's rebuilt Holy Temple — Jews have mixed feelings about the outpouring of support Israel has been getting from evangelical organizations.
"I truly believe John Hagee is at once a daring, beautiful person — and quite dangerous," said Orthodox Rabbi Brad Hirschfield, vice president of the National Jewish Center for Learning and Leadership in New York.......
.....Meanwhile, in what has become a spectacular annual routine, Jews — hoping to rebuild the Holy Temple destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70 — attempt to haul 6 1/2-ton cornerstones by truck up to the Temple Mount, the site now occupied by the Dome of the Rock mosque. Each year, they are turned back by police.
Among those who have been turned away is Gershon Solomon, spokesman for Jerusalem's Temple Institute. When the temple is built, he said, "Islam is over.".....
<h3>....However, when asked to comment on the fate of non-Christians upon the Second Coming of Jesus, he said, "That's a very embarrassing question. What can I tell you? That's a very terrible Christian idea. What kind of religion is it that expects another religion will be destroyed?"</h3>
Messiahs and cows
So are all of these efforts to hasten the end of the world a bit like, well, playing God?
Some Christians, such as Roman Catholics and some Protestant denominations, believe in the Second Coming but don't try to advance it.
It's important to be ready for the Second Coming, they say, although its timetable cannot be manipulated.......
.....<h3>Christian leaders such as Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals, say the commitment to fulfilling the Great Commission has naturally intensified along with the technological advances God provided to carry out his plans.</h3>
Over in Mississippi, Clyde Lott believes he's doing God's work, and that's why he wants to raise a few head of red heifers for Jewish high priests. Citing scripture, Lott and others say a pure red heifer must be sacrificed and burned and its ashes must be used in purification rituals to allow Jews to rebuild the temple.
But Lott's plans have been sidetracked.
Facing a maze of red tape and testing involved in shipping animals overseas — and rumors of threats from Arabs and Jews alike who feel the cows would only bring more trouble to the Middle East — he has given up on plans to fly planeloads of cows to Israel. For now.....
....."Something deep in my heart says God wants me to be a blessing to Israel," Lott said in a telephone interview. "But it's complicated. We're just not ready to send any red heifers over there."
If not now, when?
"If there's a sovereign God with his hand in the affairs of men, it'll happen, and it'll be a pivotal event," he said. "That time is soon. Very soon."
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...yndication=rss
Wednesday, February 8, 2006 - Page updated at 12:00 AM
Pastors hope to spread Gospel, hasten End Time
By Louis Sahagun
Los Angeles Times
INGLEWOOD, Calif. — Pastors of some of the largest evangelical churches in America met Tuesday in Inglewood to polish strategies for starting 5 million new churches worldwide in 10 years, an effort they say they hope will hasten the End Time.
<h3>The Rapture and Second Coming of Jesus have always been the ultimate goal of evangelicalism. But when that would occur was any Christian's guess.</h3>
The Global Pastors Network's "Billion Souls Initiative" aims to shorten the path to Judgment Day by partnering church resources with the latest communications systems to spread the Gospel of Jesus.
In an interview at Faith Central Bible Church in Inglewood, James Davis, president of the campaign, said, "Jesus Christ commissioned his disciples to go to the ends of the Earth and tell everyone how they could achieve eternal life. As we advance around the world, we'll be shortening the time needed to fulfill that great commission.
"Then, the Bible says, the end will come."....
.....Over the past five years, more than 20,000 church leaders have attended Global Pastors Network events across the nation. Among them were key executives of Pat Robertson's 700 Club, National Evangelical Association President Ted Haggard and the Rev. Jerry Falwell.
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"Next year will usher in a new dimension for us," Ulmer said. "We'll be kicking it all into gear internationally with a wedding of technology and vision. We'll be sponsoring major events in Singapore, the Ukraine, South America and Africa."
The movement is already taking on political dimensions.
In late January, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani spoke to the pastors group in Orlando, Fla., on what it takes to be a leader in time of crisis, which is the subject of his new book. Giuliani, a practicing Catholic and supporter of abortion rights and gay rights, is weighing a possible 2008 presidential bid.
"There were those who questioned some of Giuliani's philosophies, and some members would rather not have invited him," Ulmer said. "But for most of us, he was invited to inspire, inform and enrich our leaders."
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All nuts....IMO, all very dangerous....and all are indistinguishable from the religious fanatic,
Iran's Ahmadinejad. "Our" fanatics now have many millions of followers who "vote", and they have the ear of the POTUS and half of congress. They intend to "side" with Israel, use the Israelis and rise to heaven to sit at the "right hand of god", and watch as all but 144,000 of the world
s Jews are incinerated. This is serious business. Pastor Hagee has made 23 visits to Israel, and Ted Haggard presides over the "National Association of Evangelicals", and recently built his own mega congregation, from scratch, into an 11,000 member, "worship center", in Colorado Springs, directly across from the U.S. Air Force Academy, which, not coincidentally, seems to have become a recent bastion, itself, of Christian Fundamentalist influence. |