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Originally Posted by Ample
If you quit, how likely would it be that you would run into the same problem at another organization? If that seems to be the norm, personally I would tough it out. If not, I would quit. Do you really want to work in an environment that has shitty management and that you have to put up with headaches? Isn’t part of being a media graphic artist, creativity? I have a hard enough time thinking straight with a migraine, how are you supposed to do your job?
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It would be very unlikely. Even though we do not have a law against it, there are only a few places left where smoking is allowed. This is actually the first place with such a smoking policy I’ve ever worked at.
The current upper management may be shitty but I have to tough it through. I have no other choice if I want to get enough training for my upcoming final exam this december. But apart from this problem with the smokers, I’m happy to be working here.
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Originally Posted by genuinegirly
You don’t have the option of taking off on medical?
Migranes = no work done = this is an issue that your Human Resources department should be addressing.
if your boss knows that a genuine health issue is going on, and they do nothing about it... this is so very illegal in California. I thought Denmark was beyond this, too.
Taking off and crying in the restrooms definitely helps in the short-term, but it won’t fix the situation. Take the complaint to the proper authorities within your workplace, include any and all documentation of your personal link between cigarette smoke and migranes. ie- doctor’s reports, specific days where your productivity was hampered including a difinitive count of time lost.
In the meantime, continue to explain to the smokers that your problems with cigarette smoke are not imagined, that this is a medical condition, and that you would have nothing against them smoking if this weren’t the case. Ask them kindly to remember the health of those around them.
you don’t deserve this kind of crap. Good luck with these monsters.
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That’s illegal here too. Luckily I may not have to take this to the big boss as Eric seems to have fixed the problem
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Originally Posted by Seer666
Well, as a smoker, I wish I could just light up in the office. Course, being the antichrists we are now adays, that isn’t going to happen. I have to say, that some of the non smokers out there chap my ass. We had one at my last command who came out to the smokeing area and then started bitching about people smoking around her. WTF? In your case, I can understand your view. If I was one of them, I would take it outside no prob, unless it was cold as hell or raining like mad. I would still try to move it away under a window or something. I have no problem trying to accomodate others within reason. Just don’t be that person that starts trying to push the 50 foot from the door bullshit. |
Oh I won’t. I’m a reasonable woman after all.
I’ll give Helle som time to adjust as I did with Carl. He kept forgetting it the first couple of days but I guess that’s to be expected since he’s been smoking indoors here for 35 years now - old habits die hard.
I can’t believe that your former co-worker actually bitched about you smoking in a smoking area?! If you take your cigarette smoke some place where it can’t harm others then no one can possibly ask more of you!
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Originally Posted by pigglet
well nancy,
that really sucks donkey balls. first day on the job, and you’re already in that kind of position. you can’t just sit there with massive migraines all day, so the situation will have be resolved. hopefully, it won’t get uglier after resolution.
in the worst case scenario, i would think the school would have to accept this as a valid reason to alter your training program...any chance you could get signed up with a different company? you’ve been there for such a short time that if you could switch, i would think it wouldn’t have any significant effect on your program.
hope it works out for the best...didn’t you have some problems with a company and the training program over there last year? bet you can’t wait to graduate out of this thing.
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Yes I did... with
Ege Tæpper 
There’s been nothing but problems, cut-backs and restrictions so far during my trainee program so I'll definitely can't wait til I’ll graduate!
The chance of me signing a contract with a new firm is practically non-existant. The competition among us media graphic artist trainees is fierce because training places are extremely scarce. This particular education requires 3 years of training and even though I've sent out hundreds of applications during the past 2½ years, I’ve only been able to sign contracts with two companies; Ege Tæpper and this place.
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Originally Posted by little_tippler
When winter comes around, I think you’ll have trouble with her.
I think that if you were asking them to stop doing a particular thing for an unreasonable mitve, fine, but it’s not. Smoking is bad for people’s health and even if you don’t get migraines, I don’t see why it should be allowed in an open-plan work place, if it’s harmful to others (not even going to talk about annoying here).
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I agree completely, tippler! But somehow she doen’t see this as a problem. It’s as if she won’t acknowledge that her cigarette smoke is affecting me and causing my migraine attacks. Because if she did then she would’ve payed me regards immediately and without a fuss.
I too have a feeling that she may become a problem during the winter. But a lot could happen since then. Perhaps the new managing director will enforce a smoke ban in all departments shortly after the date of his hiring.
Maybe the National Health Service of Denmark will succeed in pressuring the Danish Government to make the law go into effect from January 1st instead.
Or maybe she’ll be so used to showing consideration that by the time when winter comes, she’ll go into the big printer room automatically.
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Originally Posted by little_tippler
Can I just point out that this person, Helle, is probably going to be a problem in future. I mean, what the hell does saying you get migraines have to do with a job interview? Isn’t that called discrimination?
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Yes it is. Only people applying for jobs that involves responsability for other people's lives (=pilot/driver/doctors etc) may be questioned whether or not he suffers from an illness that may be of crucual consequence regarding his ability to perform his job. So I have no idea why she even asked about it..
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Originally Posted by thingstodo
I’m really surprised that there are any offices that allow smoking these days. I live in Michigan and you see people outside offices all the time smoking in the winter. Crazy! And you can’t even smoke in a bar in many cities. I also heard that Marriott, like several other chains, is going smoke-free soon.
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So am I! I’m thoroughly disappointed that the Danish government hasn’t passed a law against smoking in public places a long time ago since we’ve known for years (decades?!) about the lethal consequences of passive smoking.
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Originally Posted by Pip
What can you expect of a country where the Queen is a notorious chain-smoker?  It’s horrible, Nancy, I really feel sorry for you having to work in that kind of environment. You seem to do things by the book however, so all I can say is keep up the good work. Helle seems like one who places great value in seniority and rank - you as a newly-hired did obviously not impress an old hand like her, but the bossman sure did. Sad, but that’s the way some people are. |
Indeed she is. And because of that I thought that she was going to be giving me the cold shoulder from now on but she has been surprisingly nice to me since Erik cut her down to size.
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Originally Posted by Zeraph
Guess I’m too late to give any advice. I’m glad everything worked out, Nancy.
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You and me both, my friend.