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Originally Posted by willravel
If women had control over their bodies, wouldn't they avoid the whole abortion process by not shagging some guy?
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Yep, that bothers me too. I think I posted quite a bit on that very topic, in some long-gone abortion thread. I'm very pro-choice for women, but I emphasize that the "choice" should be coming BEFORE the pregnancy. "Choice" after the pregnancy already happened is, frankly, irresponsible. But I know it happens, heat-of-the-moment, etc etc, and I think the right to "choose" should be preserved. But the man AND woman are still both responsible for the conception in the first place, and that is why both ought to be equally responsible for the financial costs of the child... no matter who raises it.
Hence, I don't agree with the following:
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Originally Posted by soccerchamp76
The main argument is that, in the original case, the women lied to the man and said she was unable to become pregnant. She goes ahead and carries the child, against the father's will, and makes him pay child support. In other words, she trapped him.
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True: the woman lied to the man. False: the man was trapped. If the man TRULY did NOT want to have children, it is STILL his responsibility to use a condom every single time. It does not matter what the woman is saying about her physical condition, use of birth control, tubes tied, etc... if the man DOES NOT want children, the only responsible thing to do is to use a condom (or get a vasectomy).
Sidenote: I do think men should have a say in a woman getting an abortion. But if the woman is forced to give birth to the child purely because of what the man wants (and I assume he plans to raise it), I think he should have to compensate her somehow because of the work of carrying a child for 9 months. That should be all set in stone ahead of time, if necessary... how much he will compensate her, etc. But that will probably never happen.
