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AVoiceOfReason · 07-23-2006, 12:49 PM

Ok, I've just scanned six pages of notes here, and have neither the time nor inclination to cut and paste, nor to make sure I'm not repeating some things. Let me try to bulletpoint this situation:

1. Why is there a current armed conflict? Isn't it because Hezbollah (and Hamas) grabbed some Israeli soldiers and had been firing rockets into Israel?

2. Why is Hezbollah allowed to set up shop in Southern Lebanon? If the Lebanese goverment don't want them there, then aiding Israel in rooting them out would be the proper course of action; if they want them to stay, then they have sided with the enemy of Israel. There is no middle ground, no area of grey on this point. Destruction of the Lebanese infastructure is a means to the end of the elimination of Hezbollah.

3. A cease-fire demand by anyone that doesn't carry with it clear and unambiguous penalties for violation is worthless.

4. If the accounts of Hezbollah refusing to allow civilians to flee is correct (and I'm not sure where I read/heard it), then the deaths of said civilians is not on the heads of Israel. Those that use human shields are the ones responsible for said shields.

5. While I'm thinking of it, aren't Hezbollah members also "civilians?" They aren't a military force in uniform, fighting under the banner of a country. Are those "civilian death" totals we're getting counting those folks (and their family members)?

6. If Israel has fired missiles indiscriminately into Lebanon (that is, with no military or stategic target), then it is proper to make a moral comparison with Hezbollah's firing of rockets into Israeli cities. I'm not aware of such, but it may be that it's happened and I just don't know about it.

07-23-2006, 12:49 PM	#217 (permalink)
AVoiceOfReason Psycho Location: Greenwood, Arkansas	Ok, I've just scanned six pages of notes here, and have neither the time nor inclination to cut and paste, nor to make sure I'm not repeating some things. Let me try to bulletpoint this situation: 1. Why is there a current armed conflict? Isn't it because Hezbollah (and Hamas) grabbed some Israeli soldiers and had been firing rockets into Israel? 2. Why is Hezbollah allowed to set up shop in Southern Lebanon? If the Lebanese goverment don't want them there, then aiding Israel in rooting them out would be the proper course of action; if they want them to stay, then they have sided with the enemy of Israel. There is no middle ground, no area of grey on this point. Destruction of the Lebanese infastructure is a means to the end of the elimination of Hezbollah. 3. A cease-fire demand by anyone that doesn't carry with it clear and unambiguous penalties for violation is worthless. 4. If the accounts of Hezbollah refusing to allow civilians to flee is correct (and I'm not sure where I read/heard it), then the deaths of said civilians is not on the heads of Israel. Those that use human shields are the ones responsible for said shields. 5. While I'm thinking of it, aren't Hezbollah members also "civilians?" They aren't a military force in uniform, fighting under the banner of a country. Are those "civilian death" totals we're getting counting those folks (and their family members)? 6. If Israel has fired missiles indiscriminately into Lebanon (that is, with no military or stategic target), then it is proper to make a moral comparison with Hezbollah's firing of rockets into Israeli cities. I'm not aware of such, but it may be that it's happened and I just don't know about it. __________________ AVOR A Voice Of Reason, not necessarily the ONLY one.