roachboy

what facts?
and what is with your identification with caroline glick? she presented "information"---and you did not present anything here-----you bit an editorial from the jerusalem post and pasted it without any information even about the type of article it is. there are certain basic rules about handling information--one is that you should be up front about the type of informatino that you are presenting.

if i did not kind of know you through tfp i would wonder about your motives---in this case i just think that you want to see information like this and because you want to see it you overlooked the nature of the information. this happens to all of us--i am not outside this problem either---since it is structural, one way of dealing with it is to be consistent about noting the type of article it is.

i think that all of us--yourself included--are usually pretty good about this, but not always, and this is such a situation.

once your erased the status of the article, you then operated as though the editorial was self-evidently a sequence of statements of fact.
it isn't.
it is a polemical piece through and through.

if you want to have a discussion about the history of the conflicts between the israelis and palestinians and how they impact on the present carnage, start with getting decent sources to use as a points of departure. something closer to a history, with source material that can be checked. the basic kind of thing that one should be able to expect if that is the discussion that you want.

the article you posts is not such a point of departure.
it may serve to reinforce your predispositions---in which case maybe a better name for the thread would be "an article that i like because it says what i want to read" rather than what is there.

there is no debate about this. find better sources, present something like an actual history and maybe we can have a discussion.
but not in this thread unless the information base changes.


by the way, i hope i am not wrong in assuming that folk here are concerned about quality of information---for example i read trotskyist papers because i find them quaint--but i would not post editorials from a trot paper here and take out information about the type of article or the politics of the source. if i did that i would expect to be laughed at. the same assumptions should obtain for conservatives.

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