will, I'm not comparing nazis to islamo-facists - I'm trying to show that the two are historically linked. there's a difference. Its not goodwin's law.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Hostility between Jews and Arabs (not muslims quite yet) goes back to the bilbical times - think Abraham. Abraham's sons, Isaac andf Ishmael, had a slightly different upbringing. Isaac was the successor to Abrahams great biblical stuff (God's promises), and Ishmael was kicked to the curb. Ishmael got jelous and treated Isaac like crap, and so he was sent away. At least that's how the Bible tells it. The Qu'ran says that Ishmael was actually the chosen son, and that Ishmael, not Isaac was almost sacraficed to God. This was like 4000 years ago, and things haven't gotten any better. Do you remember the Hatfields and the McCoys? The two families had fought so long, that they had forgotten what they have been fighting about. Likewise between the Arabs and Jews. Neeways, back to the story. Enter the UN. After WWII, the UN decided that they had the right to carve up Palestine so that the Jews could live there. The Arabs naturally got pissed. They overreacted and tried to destroy Israel and got their asses handed to them. Fastforward to today. The combination of ancient racism based on a biblical mixup, and current animosity from the land grab...and you have a volitile situation.
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Druing the ottoman empire, while jews and christians were not first-class citizens, they peacefully lived side by side with muslims. It was not until the 1920s when real anti-semitism began and peaked roughly 20 years later. You also over simplify things when you say the UN decided to carve up palestine and make an israeli state. After the fall of the ottoman turks in WW1 the league of nations gave the UK its mandate for palestine (1922). THere was no lebanon, israel, jordan, gaza or west bank. the british promised the arabs an independent state covering *most* of palestine and promised a jewish state in israel (balfour delcaration 1917). during the 1920's there was a strong jewish migration from europe to palestine.
Enter Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, the mufti of jerusalem. After the ottoman defeat (who he fought with in WW1) he denounced the balfour declaration and worked on getting jews out of palestine and creating a pan-islamic state. he incited violence between arabs and jews, unlike any that had been seen before. he worked towards his mission and eventually allied with the Nazis in ww2, thats when his anti-semetism spread throughout the muslim world into the balkans and into russia. I'd like to point out part of the article I previously posted
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As Kuntzel argues, the notion of a violent holy war or jihad against non-Muslims was not a part of any active Islamic doctrine until the 1930s and, as he notes, "its concurrence with the arrival of a newly virulent anti-Semitism is verified in no uncertain terms." Husseini's gangs in the Palestine Mandate were joyously praised by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, which held mass demonstrations with slogans like "Jews get out of Egypt and Palestine," and "Down with the Jews!"
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. The successor of the mufti was none other than yasser arafat. Its a pretty straight line.
The muslim fundamentalism we see today stems from anti-semetism started in the 1920s. Jihad against non-believers is a creation from the 1930's. While today's islamofacists might not be nazis their indoctrination of the "evils of jewry" come from ideas and motives planted in the early part of the 20th century.
You can also see, that its not the UN who decided to create israel. some can argue the modern state of israel was conceived in 1917 and encouraged by the league of nations in 1922. keep in mind jordan and lebanon did not exist then either. Jordan and lebanon are as much creations as israel. If israel doesn't have a right to exist, then I don't see how jordan, lebanon, syria, or any of the post-ottoman territories do.
Also, this thread was not started as flamebait, but to try and show that the modern islamic fundamentalist movement enforced by terrorism grew alongside nazism and the father of modern anti-semetism is none other than yasser arafat's predecessor.
The palestinian struggle is not about vicitmization from the israelis. its victimization from the entire region. The palestinians are nothing more than a pawn in the islamists desire to see the state of israel vanish. If this was really about the palestinian plight and arabs really cared about their palestinian bretheren there would have been a solution years ago.