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Originally Posted by stevo
nope. not at all. if everything is grey, then why fight? Do you still not understand what is going on here? That this is much more than just a small group of people fighting israel? What is happening in Lebanon is part of the struggle between syria and iran on the one side and israel on the other. It is between people who have stated over and over they wish to see israel wiped off the face of the planet. What is israel to do? negotiate? pull back?
Here's some information: After israel withdrew from gaza, over the last 5 months over 800 kassam rockets were fired into southwest israel. Then hamas kills 2 soldiers and takes 1 hostage. a few days later, completely unprovoked, hezbollah deicdes they like that idea, mount several raids, kill 8 israeli soldiers and kidnap 2.
and israel should negotiate? hold back? submit to world pressure. the same world pressure that let UN Res. 1559 go unfulfilled. If israel were to submit to an internationally-imposed ceasefire without completely descimating hezbollah, nothing would have been acomplished but death and destruction. No lasting positive results would come. Hezbollah would take a year or two to re-group, re-arm, and be emboldened, knowing they can attack israel at will and wait for the international community to call off israel's retaliation. All the while Iran will be coming closer and closer to obtaining a nuclear weapon. Perhaps not to use overtly, but to hold over the region's head, so to speak.
Any international force sent in for a "peace-keeping" mission will ultimately become terrorist targets in light blue hats. What makes you, or anyone, think that tucks full of explolsives won't be driven into buildings housing the peace-keepers, a-la beirut 1983 when 241 americans and 58 french soldiers were killed by hezbollah terrorists?
This is black and white. clearly black and white. this entire situation will not have a resolution until the ones unwilling to negotiate, the ones that do not want peace - READ: iran, syria, islamic militants - ARE DEAD. and the ones remaining realize there is no sense in fighting and dying anymore since israel isn't going anywhere.
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stevo, you've convinced me that, if you were to examine the "gray" details, the conviction you bring to your argument would vanish. You ignore the issues of control of water resources in the region, the walling off of Palestinian territory, the violation of Israel's own laws with regard to claims of pre-1967 private land owners in the Jordan Valley, and Israel's retention of the Jordan Valley. You ignore the disproprotionate numbers of detained Palestinians and Lebanese by the IDF. vs. detained Israelis by Hezbollah. Hamas, etc.
You ignore the circumstances of an Israeli response to an attack against IDF military personnel by Hezbollah that has resulted in the destruction of much of Lebanon's infrastructure, and transport assets, and the deaths of hundreds of Lebanese civilians, and the same Israeli response to attacks on IDF personnel. that triggered a response by Israel that eliminated air conditioning and clean water, due to an intended attack on civilian power generation in Gaza.
stevo, your arguments come right out of "The Corner" on the nationalreview.com website. I can't tell your declarations from those of Hannity or Michael Ledeen. Nothing sways you, nothing gives you pause to consider any measured argument, no matter the details contained within.