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Originally Posted by stevo
Well duh. of course they were destroying the infrastructure. Thats part of war. Israel wants to keep syria and iran from flying more missiles in, so they take out the airport. Because it wasn't done at 3am doesn't mean israel was trying to target civillians. You say yourself you aren't a military tactician, so stop trying. You don't know that israeli intel had some information that required the runway to be bombed no later. You act as if israel leveled the terminal. A slab of concrete got holes put in it. No one died.
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Well, I will have to bow to your obvious game theory degree from West Point, then. How was I to know that not only are you a military tactician, but you also are so knowledgable that you are able to insinuate that Israel had intel that lead them to know the best time to bomb the airport at Beirut with such confidence? My favorite quote above is "No one died". Well no one died at the airport....so then all the other deaths somehow don't count.
Stevo, over 150 Lebonese civilians are reported dead as of yesterday. Those people were not firing rockets at Israel. Israel has not formally declaired war against Lebanon, so I have to assume that these are simply murders.
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Originally Posted by stevo
You seem to be missing the fact that the rockets fired into israel are coming from civillian areas in lebanon. they are being fired from apartment windows. Perhaps the "lop-sided" body count is that way because of how Hezbollah positions their forces and because they truely do not care for the people of lebanon. To them the death of innocents (muslim or not) is justified by the destruction of israel.
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Except Hezbollah isn't targeting military, they are simply firing blindly into populated areas. Again, for the millionth time, Hezbollah is a horrible group of terrorists, who I want to see destroyed. They have done nothing but terrorize Israel and Lebanon for years (just because they built a few hospitals in Lebanon doesn't erase the blood from their hands). Their crude tactics are endangering Lebanese citizens.
The cause of the lopsided body count is obvious: Israel has the largest and most technologically advanced military in the region. They are decades ahead of the other militaries due in no small part to the US's relationship with Israel. What does this mean? 1) Israel could wipe Lebanon from the face of the earth, if they so wished, but 2) Israel is also capable of surgical strikes. They don't need to simply level a city block, when they can destroy a single building, and leave everyone around it shaken, but alive. The death count stands in contrast with that situation. Over 150 dea, and almost none of them are Hezbollah tells me that either Israel has HORRIBLE intel (as in worse than US intel on WMDs), or they simply aren't trying to avoid killing innocent Labanese. The second seems more likely. It feels like it might be punishment for not getting rid of the Hezbollah durring the civil war.
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Originally Posted by stevo
Forcing the UN. did you just type that? how in the hell is anyone going to force the UN to do anything? The UN is useless as an enforcer of their own rules. THey write up documents and sometimes they are followed other times they aren't. Like UN Resolution 1559 - which was ignored. We all see how well the UN troops in south lebanon did at keeping hezbollah from attacking israel. Before you continue to clamor for UN troops please read Xazy's article a few posts up. Freezing accounts of "a few wealthy people in iran and syria? Its that simple is it?  So you assume israel, the US, and other western powers just have the ability to freeze iranian assets in iranian banks? how bout syrian assets in iranian banks? how would we go about doing that? |
Yes, I wrote forcing the UN. The nice thing about posts is that one can reread them. If the UN is to be more than a figurehead, then it must be able to stand on it's own two feet. Part of that is being able to set rules, and then enforce them. As stated a few posts up, then UN has forces in Lebanon. So how does one force the UN to do something? Well my favorite way is nonviolent protests. Have you ever blocaded a building? I have. If an organization or group were so inclined, they could blocade the UN. I'm pulling ideas out of my ass, but if that plan took me a fraction of a second to think of, imagine someone smarter spending a day thinking of something.
As for the freezing of accounts....I don't know, but at least I'm trying to think of an alternative instead of backing war to a fault.
The bottom line stays the same: Israel is killing civilians that have nothing to do with the attacks on Israel, and it's wrong.