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Originally Posted by pornclerk
I had a lesbain couple come in a few times and they were fairly new to sex toys. I had to give them all kinds of suggestions on what to use keeping in mind that they are two women. The weird thing was that most of the time lesbians are rather masculine looking. These girls however were very beautiful and very feminine looking. I guess the word for it is lipstick lesbians. It was kinda hot actually!
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Hey! Give us a break. It was our first time.
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Originally Posted by oberon
Did you really see all that many lesbians to know whether they're typically masculine-looking? From what I've seen usually a lesbian that looks like a man is transgendered. Most lesbians I've met looked like women, not men. But I'm perfectly willing to concede the dozen or so lesbians I've ever met do not constitute a large enough sample size.
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Your experience is a lot more in line with mine. There is no typical look. I suppose I could say view my profile for a typical look, and that's actually not far off from the somewhat androgynous look many lesbians choose.
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I have a lot of gay friends. When I was in university I hung out at gay bars more than I did "normal" bars, so I've seen lots of lesbians. I would have to say that most lesbians have short hair, wear clothes that look sort of tom-boyish, and don't really do any feminine things like wear make up or nail polish. I would say that some of them are probably trying to pass for a man and some of them just look like tom-boys. Not all of them dress like this of course but the majority that I have seen do.
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I'm not discounting your personal experience, but I do think it may be atypical because you are basing it on the gay bar scene. Gay bars tend to attract those who are more into lesbian as an identity rather than as a status, in other words, those for whom lesbian is who they are rather than what they are. Most gay people aren't that way, and tend to blend in pretty seamlessly with the mainstream.
There is a significant, very visible minority that do take on an overtly masculine look, some even with leather, buzz cut hair cuts, and so forth, while others, like me, tend to overcompensate in the opposite direction a little bit. Femmes just aren't as noticable outside the bar setting because they don't fit the stereotype.
There used to be a strong need to identify as either butch or femme but the trend the last decade or so has been to exchew any gender markers, masculine or feminine, in favor of just presenting as more neutral, or androgynous. At one point there was actually a bit of a backlash against femmes who were too feminine based on the assumption that we were endorsing societal stereotypes of women, but the freedom to be who you are has generally replaced that. The more common "androgynous" look has been dubbed "chapstick lesbian" after a joke Ellen Degeneres told regarding her status.
Lesbians do tend to skew more towards the masculine than straight or bi women, but there's still a good range, and the couple you describe aren't really rare. Most so called "lipstick lesbians", however, are really straight girls who've figured out that making out with another girl in public turns some guys on. It's about attention getting more than sexual identity, and it's really disappointing when you hit on them and find out they're really into guys.
Some butch lesbians do take on a very masculine look, but they're not actually trying to look like men so much as they're doing male drag--they typically want people to know that they're women who are very masculine.
Generally they're distinguished from true transmen (IE, female to male transsexuals) by beard and scalp hair. Transgendered men tend to take male hormones to stimulated male characteristics, which raises their DHT levels greatly causing beard hair to grow and scalp hair to fall out.
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