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Here is a link to a new, (dated June 27, '06) 6+ minutes flash video that "validates" the physical evidence and the official story of the approach and impact of a flight 77 animated airliner, flying into the pentagon.
It seems to be a technical demonstation of flash capabilities of the firm that created it, as much as it is about the subject that it "covers". I am always curious about the interest and the effor that goes into elaborate "debunking" of the official line. As it the official "story" needs an assist, now and again, from just any J6P among us. I just don't know what compells anyone to put much time or energy into defending the status quo....but I see the effort expended here, with an enthusiasm and energy that is at least equal to say....willravel's interest and effort in questioning what our government told us happened on 9/11.
Ohhh....here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVDdj...6fedb5a4cb7f4a
I'll throw out a challenge to any "debunker" who reads this.
Please direct us to any first hand, official reference or news report of hijackers armed with "box cutters" that does not originate from CNN reporting of what U.S. Solicitor General (the title he held on 9/11), Theodore Olson, alledgedly told his acquaintance who worked at CNN. In the midst of his grief, just 13 hours after suddenly losing his wife, CNN commentator and author of the just published "hate book" targeting Hillary, in the "crash" of Flt. 77, Olson was able to alert us to the following:
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http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/1....under.attack/
FBI targets Florida sites in terrorist search
Survivors may be still in Trade Center rubble
September 11, 2001 Posted: <b>11:56 PM EDT (0356 GMT)</b>
.....Knives and box cutters
Although officials said the attacks appeared to have been well planned and executed, a passenger on the plane that hit the Pentagon said in cell phone call to her husband that the terrorists were armed with knives and box cutters.
The passenger was Barbara Olson, a CNN commentator and wife of Solicitor General Theodore Olson.....
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....and here is Mr. Olson, less than 6 months later, acting as the adminstration's chief lawyer in civil matters before the court:
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...9291-2002Mar20
The Limits of Lying
By Jim Hoagland
Thursday, March 21, 2002; Page A35
<b>....For Washingtonians who remember the one sure way to tell when Lyndon Johnson was lying -- whenever his lips were moving -- a conflicting statement by Solicitor General Theodore Olson to the Supreme Court on Monday has the ring of perverse honesty.
It is "easy to imagine an infinite number of situations . . . where government officials might quite legitimately have reasons to give false information out," the Justice Department's senior trial lawyer said to the justices,</b> who are weighing Jennifer Harbury's claim that she had the right to the truth about the torture and murder of her Guatemalan revolutionary husband by CIA-financed Guatemalan forces in 1993.......
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Here is Olson's background....if you were involved in orchestrating or enabling the 9/11 attacks, and one item on your agenda was to relieve the U.S. government or the airports or the airlines from exposure to potential litigation based on allegations that lax airport security enabled hijackers to smuggle weapons onto airliners hijacked on 9/11, wouldn't it be a coup to have the highest U.S. official. the man in charge of defending the U.S. government in all civil matters.....be the "witness" to the revelation that the hijackers gained control of at least one airliner by brandishing only "weapons" permitted to be carried, under FAA rules....in this case, "box cutters"?
It takes a curious person, even to mount a defense of the official "line". I just can't understand how that curiousity can be channeled away from the coincidences and contradictions of the "official line", and still display enthusiasm driven research and posting effort. I mean...look at this guy....his background screams of his being the logical choice to spread the box cutter bullshit....c'mon...prove me wrong.
Defend the official story by posting another "box cutter as 9/11 weapons" source, besides Mr. Olson!
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070100756.html
Possible Nominees to the Supreme Court
The Washington Post
Friday, July 1, 2005; 11:12 AM
Here is a list of potential nominees for the Supreme Court:
Theodore B. Olson
Theodore B. Olson, 64, is the former Solicitor General and now an attorney in private practice in Washington at the firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher.
He has been with the firm since 1965 except for two forays into government, serving as President Bush's Solicitor General from 2001-2004 and as Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel for three years during President Ronald Reagan's first term.
<b>He argued Bush's case before the Supreme Court that decided the outcome of the disputed 2000 presidential election.</b>
His other cases have included representing Cheryl Hopwood, who argued that affirmative action in admissions at the University of Texas was a violation of the Constitution. In 1996, a federal appeals court agreed with Olson and Hopwood that the university's policy was unconstitutional. That same year, he represented the Virginia Military Institute before the Supreme Court <b>against claims that the school's admissions policy discriminated against women and lost.</b>
<b>Olson was legal counsel to Reagan during the investigation of the Iran-contra affair. And he represented Jonathan Pollard, who was convicted of selling government secrets to Israel, in his failed bid for a reduction of his life sentence.
While President Bill Clinton was in office, Olson railed against the administration</b> in the conservative American Spectator magazine, where he was a contributing writer and a member of its board of directors.
But his passion threatened his confirmation as solicitor general. <b>During hearings, Democrats asked Olson if he played a role in the "Arkansas Project," an attempt by American Spectator to uncover scandals involving President Bill Clinton and his wife, Hillary. Olson said he did not, but a Spectator staff writer, David Brock, told the Judiciary Committee that Olson was directly involved.</b> Olson was confirmed, but not until after an inquiry into charges that his testimony was untruthful.
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Olson seems likely to have perjured himself in his senate "confirmation as solicitor general", testimony.
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http://www.slate.com/id/1007659/
chatterbox Gossip, speculation, and scuttlebutt about politics.
Whopper of the Week: Ted Olson
Timothy Noah
Posted Friday, May 11, 2001, at 12:15 PM PT
"Only as a member of the board of directors of the American Spectator. It has been alleged that I was somehow involved in that so-called project; I was not involved in the project, in its origin or its management."
--Solicitor-general nominee Theodore Olson, testifying before the Senate Judiciary committee, in response to the question, "Were you involved with the so-called Arkansas Project at any time?" The Arkansas Project was the American Spectator's $2 million scandal investigation of Bill and Hillary Clinton funded by conservative philanthropist Richard Mellon Scaife. Olson's remarks were quoted on May 3 by Jake Tapper in Salon, and on May 10 by Thomas B. Edsall in the Washington Post. Tapper was following up on earlier Salon stories by Joe Conason and Alicia Montgomery.
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"[David] Brock, who was one of the Spectator's leading investigative reporters in the Arkansas Project but who left the magazine after a series of disagreements, said Olson attended a number of dinner meetings at the home of R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr., president and chairman of the Spectator, which were explicitly 'brainstorming' sessions about the Arkansas Project.
"'There were several dinners at Bob Tyrrell's house, editorial planning sessions, on articles on the Clintons in Arkansas,' Brock said. 'Ted [Olson] was sometimes there, occasionally Barbara Olson [Ted Olson's wife] as well.'
"Olson, according to Brock, was an active participant in discussions of possible stories, of methods to investigate scandal allegations and of ways to cultivate sources who would be familiar with the Clintons' political and financial dealings."
--Edsall's May 10...........
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I devoted half of a TFP Politics thread to a study of Ted Olson, a year ago:
<a href="http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:eFL-Fy1tmkMJ:flounder.tfproject.org/tfp/printthread.php%3Ft%3D92438+zarqawi+olson+tfp&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2"> Are Ted Olson and Al Zarqawi both "Supermen"?</a>
My point in last year's thread, is that, similarly to the way Zarqawi was reported to be involved in every violent insurgent incident...for 3 years, in Iraq, Ted Olson actually was involved in nearly every major republican controversy, and in litigation of key legal issues that republicans seem passionate about, over the last twenty years....affirmative action, Reagan's involvement in Iran-Contra the Arkansas Project "witch hunt" against the Clintons, the SCOTUS decision that awarded the POTUS to GW Bush, and....
the 9/11 "box cutter" story. It's a weak link, IMO, that still has the potential to come "undone".
I urge all "debunkers" who post here to defend the official 9/11 story, to shore up the Ted Olson story. It is perhaps the weakest link! I especially loved this classic reporting from "Ted's tale":
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http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/pentagon.olson/
Wife of Solicitor General alerted him of hijacking from plane
September 12, 2001 Posted: 2:06 AM EDT (0606 GMT)
<b>....Ted Olson told CNN that his wife said all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers. The only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters.
She felt nobody was in charge and asked her husband to tell the pilot what to do.
Ted Olson notified the Justice Department command center immediately.</b>
He told CNN that his wife had originally been booked on a flight Monday, but delayed her departure because Tuesday was his birthday and she wanted to be with him in the morning.
<b>Barbara Olson was a former federal prosecutor and served as Chief Investigative Counsel to the House Committee on Government Reform and Oversight during its probe into the Clinton Administration "Travelgate" scandal.
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She had appeared frequently as a commentator on CNN.
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Quote:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,40580,00.html
Ted Olson Remembers Wife, Others
Tuesday, December 11, 2001
WASHINGTON — Solicitor General Theodore Olson, whose wife, Barbara, was killed in the plane that crashed into the Pentagon Sept. 11, called those who died in the attacks "heroes who inspire us."....
.........Barbara Olson had called her husband from the doomed plane and described the hijacking in progress.
Deputy Attorney General Larry Thompson said Barbara Olson's call, made "in the midst of terrible danger and turmoil swirling around her," was a "clarion call that awakened our nation's leaders to the true nature of the events of Sept. 11." ........
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No report on that day provides a quote of Olson making any direct reference to his late wife, Barbara Olson....
From the 9/11 Commission report:
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http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm
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"WE HAVE SOME PLANES"
.......At some point between 9:16 and 9:26, Barbara Olson called her husband, Ted Olson, the solicitor general of the United States. She reported that the flight had been hijacked, and the hijackers had knives and box cutters. She further indicated that the hijackers were not aware of her phone call, and that they had put all the passengers in the back of the plane. About a minute into the conversation, the call was cut off. Solicitor General Olson tried unsuccessfully to reach Attorney General John Ashcroft.57
Shortly after the first call, Barbara Olson reached her husband again. She reported that the pilot had announced that the flight had been hijacked, and she asked her husband what she should tell the captain to do. Ted Olson asked for her location and she replied that the aircraft was then flying over houses. Another passenger told her they were traveling northeast. The Solicitor General then informed his wife of the two previous hijackings and crashes. She did not display signs of panic and did not indicate any awareness of an impending crash. At that point, the second call was cut off.58
At 9:29, the autopilot on American 77 was disengaged; the aircraft was at 7,000 feet and approximately 38 miles west of the Pentagon.59 At 9:32, controllers at the Dulles Terminal Radar Approach Control "observed a primary radar target tracking eastbound at a high rate of speed." This was later determined to have been Flight 77.
At 9:34, Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport advised the Secret Service of an unknown aircraft heading in the direction of the White House. American 77 was then 5 miles west-southwest of the Pentagon and began a 330-degree turn. At the end of the turn, it was descending through 2,200 feet, pointed toward the Pentagon and downtown Washington. The hijacker pilot then advanced the throttles to maximum power and dove toward the Pentagon.60
At 9:37:46, American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, traveling at approximately 530 miles per hour.61 All on board, as well as many civilian and military personnel in the building, were killed.
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http://www.9-11commission.gov/report...port_Notes.pdf
57.The records available for the phone calls from American 77 do not allow for a determination of which of
four “connected calls to unknown numbers” represent the two between Barbara and Ted Olson, although the FBI
and DOJ believe that all four represent communications between Barbara Olson and her husband’s office (all family
members of the Flight 77 passengers and crew were canvassed to see if they had received any phone calls from
the hijacked flight, and only Renee May’s parents and Ted Olson indicated that they had received such calls).The
four calls were at 9:15:34 for 1 minute, 42 seconds; 9:20:15 for 4 minutes, 34 seconds; 9:25:48 for 2 minutes, 34
seconds; and 9:30:56 for 4 minutes, 20 seconds. FBI report,“American Airlines Airphone Usage,” Sept. 20, 2001;
FBI report of investigation, interview of Theodore Olson, Sept. 11, 2001; FBI report of investigation, interview of
Helen Voss, Sept. 14, 2001;AAL response to the Commission’s supplemental document request, Jan. 20, 2004.
58. FBI report,“American Airlines Airphone Usage,” Sept. 20, 2001; FBI report of investigation, interview of Theodore Olson, Sept. 11, 2001.
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