I think that a few statements, plus a not insignificant amount of time spent looking through archives, may have backed up my point. (Which, in case anyone has forgotten, is that people who work hard almost never stay in minimum wage jobs).
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Originally Posted by willravel
Practically everyone has not. Only a few of my friends at school had to take jobs in high school at all. I was a low income teenager living in a high income area. Most of my friends had brand new cars, whilc I worked my butt off selling cell phones in the mall just to afford an old Civic. Out of a graduating class of maybe 300, I was one a of a dozen or so that worked. Yes, people in minimum wage jobs can whine. I whined. I also worked my ass off for next to nothing. Guess what? I know that I had every right to whine, and so do most who make minimum wage.
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Originally Posted by willravel
I can say without an ounce of sarcasm that I, as a manager at a cell phone booth for The Mobile Solution, worked harder than my distict manager, the West Coast Market Director, and the CEO of my company combined. I know this because I was friends with all of them. Did I make more? Hell no. Perservierence may have payed off back in the 1950s for young upstarts looking to climb the corporate ladder, but I didn't make any real money until I shoveled out a crapload of money to go to a private college.
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Judging by what you say about your present income, it would seem to have been a good deal. If I remember correctly, you own your house and car. Your statements have also led me to believe that your educational loans are paid off. According to your profile, you're 25. Not bad, I'd say. If your response is, "I worked my ass off," my answer would be, "That's the idea." If you are saying minimum wage should be higher so you would be in your current financial state of affairs BEFORE age 25, I'd say you were being a bit greedy.
However, your espousal of a minimum wage hike (and your interest in my personal life) encouraged me to learn how to search the archive, with the following results.
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Originally Posted by willravel 03-19-2005, 03:08 PM
1 year to "graduated" black belt, 2 years to second degree, and 3 years to third degree. A total of six years. As I earned by black belt at 10, I was around 16 when I earned my third degre from ATA. I moved to another school after that.
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Originally Posted by willravel 03-18-2005, 02:00 AM
(I am a 5th degree in tae kwon do, as well as being moderatly trained in 4 other martial arts, and I'm learning Muay Thai.)
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1. Although you describe yourself as a "low-income" teenager, you attended martial arts school(s) from age 4 to sometime past age 16. Martial arts are not cheap, and those payments didn't go into your college fund. You also weren't earning income while you were taking those classes.
I conclude that you made a conscious choice to study martial arts, even if it meant you had to borrow a "crapload" of money later. I don't fault that decision, but I don't accept "whining" (your word) about your lack of funds at the time, either.
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Originally Posted by willravel
What would that prove? We live under the current system where there are little or no alternatives. Of course people have to take the crap jobs. They don't want to starve to death. Have you ever gone more than 3 days without food? I did.
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Originally Posted by willravel 03-17-2005, 10:39 PM
Wow, that's beautiful. I used to race in a 928 at Laguna Seca a few years back. This will be on my wish list.
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"A few years back." You were 24 when you wrote that. Most people use the term "a few" to mean 3 or more. So if you were age 21 at that writing, which just about HAS to be when you were in college, the state of your finances, once again, was not as dire as it could have been.
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I need you to understand something. For some people it doesn't matter how hard you work, study and try. Some people are doomed to live in poverty for the rest of their lives.
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Maybe, but if someone with a "severe heart condition" could be a 5th degree black belt, AND drive race cars, AND own his house and car, AND have his education paid for (you said you DID, past tense, have student loans) by age 25, well, this is a great country and we shouldn't fool around with it.
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The reason that someone might think that the rich pay for the military escapes me. They pay less taxes, they only make up a small percentage of out population.
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I don't understand this statement. What I was referring to is the GI bill, by which so many military veterans have obtained higher education.
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Originally Posted by willravel
So you believe that everyone who has a crappy job deserves it?
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The subject is minimum wage, not crappy jobs. I believe that anyone who has spent 5 or so years working at minimum wage isn't trying hard enough to improve their status.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Well if you work hard enough, then you can afford to buy them a house.
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Since you're so interested, I'll give you the full story. At the time I wrote that I was "with my parents," I was. In 2003, my sister and I were moving them to a house near us, because they were no longer able to manage all of their affairs. My mother had fallen for the workman appearing at the door to "do some repair work he'd noticed they needed." My parents fell for that--twice.
We got them moved near us. Two months ago, my mother died, and since she was the one who kept an eye on my father, who has Alzheimer's, I, my sister, her two kids, and my two kids are supervising my father in shifts.
Are there any more questions about me or my parents?