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Rail Baron
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Originally Posted by host
'couple-o-questions for ya, stevo.....
Do anecdotal accounts from oracle, influence you more than the results of answers to questions in a recent, scientific poll, with a purported 2-1/2 percent margin of error, of over 1700, random Iraqi adults....and if they do....could you send a "loved one"...to risk their life or limb to fight for this "cause"?
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Yes. they do. Yes. I could.
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Originally Posted by host
stevo, is it "anti-war" to offer observations, backed by poll results like the ones above, that "hint" that oracle2380 may not be the "authority" on how the war is "going", that you and he so strongly believe that he is?
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It is if those observations are so blinded by an agenda such as yours.
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Is there any chance that I am offering accurate, well documented observations, below, from authoritative voices....such as oracle2380's commanders, and their predecessors....that demonstrate a consistant assessment, contrary to what oracle2380's...that the U.S. is fighting a primarily homegrown, guerilla insurgency, all over Iraq?
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Nope. You only see what you want to, host. You cherry pick your articles to suit your agenda. You are as transparant as the window by my desk.
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Consider reports below, that in the latest offensive drive against the insurgents in the city of Ramadi, only 145 soldiers in an Iraqi battalion, could be persuaded to fight and die alongside American troops. Consider that this latest offense has the potential to destroy another large Iraqi city, like Fallujah, the former city of 400,000, before it. stevo, how many cities this large, in a country of only 27 million, can be destroyed in these actions, rendered unliveable for many years to come, before you could begin to question the "mission" and the tactics of our military, and of the POTUS?
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consider the reports from 2006. Not last year, or even 2003. If you didn't have your mind already made up and an agenda to support you could find many an article aobut the improvements pertaining to the Iraqi national guard and their US counterparts. In fact I just read one in the WSJ last week. It wasn't a rosy, all-is-well, story, but it was straight forward, talked about the improvements and how far we still have to go.
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Originally Posted by host
How do oracle2380's comments about "stateside reporters", look alongside the results of polls offered here, conducted exclusively by questioning only folks randomly, who were all in Iraq? How do they look, when you consider that more members of the press have been killed or wounding covering the Iraq war....from Iraq, including the ABC co-anchor, and a prominent CBS foreign correspondent, the lone survivor recently, in a press crew of three, than in the much longer, Vietnam war?
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Of course polls don't have any element of bias introduced. They aren't easily slanted to paint a picture or support an agenda. The anti-war folk in the media would never intentionally portray something in a less than honest fasion to help their cause.  I work with polls every day. I develop surveys and analyze them. I know how easy it is to make it look like you want it too. I take the word of a soldier over that of the media any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by host
The misinformed, myopic opinions of oracle2380, IMO, and, when compared to the polling results of questions asked randomly of the soldiers who he serves alongside of, are understandable, considering where they are, and what is easier to believe, in order to motivate them to follow orders, but they are, IMO, unsupported by the facts.
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Its funny, how you, sitting at home, with your mind already made up, selectively reading news reports call someone's first hand account of the situation in iraq a "myopic opinion." What are you, the authoratative source?
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Originally Posted by host
I may be "anti-war", stevo, but my opinions are supported by a well documented set of quotes, polls, and reports. What is the basis of your opinions? Where are you getting them, and why do they trump what I bring to this discussion?
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Your opinions are supported by nothing more than other people's opinions, half-truths, selective reading and memory, slanted polls and an anti-war agenda.
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"If I am such a genius why am I drunk, lost in the desert, with a bullet in my ass?" -Otto Mannkusser
Last edited by stevo; 06-28-2006 at 11:07 AM..
Reason: add word "polls" to response - i forgot it before
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