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Originally Posted by filtherton
Because those "few people" want it to change, have good arguments as to why it should change and there aren't really any good reasons that it shouldn't.
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It seems that the argument for legalizing gay marriages boils down to "Heterosexuals can do it, so why can't I?" I'm pretty sure that there are people who would love to legalize-- Say-- Incest along the same grounds. Why shouldn't we do that? After all, one could argue for incest the same way one is arguing for gay marriage. We shouldn't deny two consenting adults "Basic civil rights", less be deemed as bigots.
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What it also is is a great example of what happens when people try to justify opposition to gay rights; they invariably end up flailing around, tossing out irrelevant rhetorical questions and trying unsuccessfully to remove the focus of the conversation from their flawed perspective.
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You call my perspective flawed because I happen to disagree? Well, I could call your perpespective flawed simply because you're relying on the assumption that everyone should have the same privileges as each other. I know I said this earlier, but on the same grounds as you want to legalize gay marriage, we coul also legalize a host of other less-favorable activities. That doesn't mean we should.
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You know what you'll never find in nature? Two animals that are married to eachother.
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No, but do you know what you will find in nature? Social structures built around "Families", much like you find in humans. Do you know what you'll never find in nature? Two members of the same gender having sex for reasons other than procreation.
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Well, the habit of equating "unnaturalness" with "immoral and disgusting" necessitates that the vast majority of behavior that humans engage in must necessarily be immoral and disgusting. For instance, telecommunications are wholly unnatural and must therefore be immoral. Driving isn't natural either so it must also be immoral. Abstract thought? Arguably unnatural therefore immoral. I could go on.
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...And you accuse me of bringing up irrelevant points. When one says "Unnatural", I believe them to mean a deviance from the original function or purpose.
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Most of the things we do are as natural as homosexuality, yet when it comes to condemning behavior homosexuality is the only one that is abhorrent because it isn't natural. Sounds like bullshit to me.
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I do remember that earlier you asserted that homosexuality was a natural and frequent occurance in nature, which you later backed off of. I suppose I should just come right out and say it, but it's my opinion that homosexuality isn't as "Natural" as you would assert.
In nature, homosexuality only occurs in oragnisms which have both reproductive organs. In humans, homosexuality occurs erm... Well, I couldn't really tell you why it occurs, but what I can tell you is that it's not for the same reasons as it occurs in nature. Doesn't a deviance from the original purpose of homosexuality classify as "Unnatural". In my book it does.
(And this is a bit pre-emptive: Before someone states "Sex was only meant for procreation purposes!" I would like to point out that both dolphins and bonobos have sex for reasons other than procreation, hence showing that it does occur in nature.)
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You could say that there was some sort of correlation there, but you couldn't really claim any sort of significance or causation. Hetero marriage has been in decline as an institution since long before gay marriage was even a blip on the radar.
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Are you meaning that divorce has slowly been on the increase or that less and less people are being married each year?
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Originally Posted by Frosstbyte
De facto, I do not believe anyone is making those arguments who doesn't already have a problem with homosexuality because of a subjective belief that it is wrong and people who are gay should not receive any rights which protect that status.
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This is where you're wrong: Personally, I don't have any problems with homosexuality. If that's what you are, then that's what you are. However, I don't believe they should be allowed to marry. Anything else, they can have, but the privilege of marriage should be kept to a man and a woman (And those are my views).