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Originally Posted by magictoy
So many quotes, so little time.
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Indeed.
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We've already seen how well such a concept works with the alternative minimum tax. Within a few years, everyone's income will be the maximum that our leaders allow (except for theirs). Their income will be exempt, much as Congress is exempt from Social Security. You know, "Some animals are more equal than others."
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We've already seen democracies fall, so we should probably steer clear of that. MagicToy, corruption could make it's way into every facet of government, business, religion, etc. It's ever present. The way that the good people in the world work is to do everything we can to make sure the greedy corrupt people are not given power. We do not simply stop functioning as a sociey because some people are asshats. Just because some people would work to corrupt a new system doesn't meant aht it would fail.
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This is just silly. Practically everyone has. Most people start at minimum when they are young, and then work to achieve a better life. A few find it easier to whine (for YEARS) that the minimum wage isn't high enough. That is, when they're not whining that there aren't any good jobs, usually because of competition from companies with a better handle on their overhead. Or because the employee couldn't be bothered to undertake some kind of training that would make them more valuable to the company.
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Practically everyone has not. Only a few of my friends at school had to take jobs in high school at all. I was a low income teenager living in a high income area. Most of my friends had brand new cars, whilc I worked my butt off selling cell phones in the mall just to afford an old Civic. Out of a graduating class of maybe 300, I was one a of a dozen or so that worked. Yes, people in minimum wage jobs can whine. I whined. I also worked my ass off for next to nothing. Guess what? I know that I had every right to whine, and so do most who make minimum wage. Who are you to condescend?
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That sounds suspiciously like the sarcasm that was mentioned before, with maybe a little bitterness thrown in. I will say, without a trace of sarcasm, that "It's not like employees can't switch to a job that pays better than minimum wage." Of course,that would require that the employee put forth some degree of effort, say, practicing birth control, looking for other work, being willing to relocate, taking additional training, or otherwise getting off their ass.
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Of course it was sarcasm. I was answering in turn for a ridiculous statement. The idea that minimum wage exists simply to appease the minority who cry and cry until they get their way was clearly a troll, and I treated it as such.
I can say without an ounce of sarcasm that I, as a manager at a cell phone booth for The Mobile Solution, worked harder than my distict manager, the West Coast Market Director, and the CEO of my company combined. I know this because I was friends with all of them. Did I make more? Hell no. Perservierence may have payed off back in the 1950s for young upstarts looking to climb the corporate ladder, but I didn't make any real money until I shoveled out a crapload of money to go to a private college.
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Originally Posted by magictoy
I defy you to show me a labor-intensive (or almost any other) business that can survive if no one will work for the pay it offers.
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What would that prove? We live under the current system where there are little or no alternatives. Of course people have to take the crap jobs. They don't want to starve to death. Have you ever gone more than 3 days without food? I did.
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So what you’re saying is that minimum wage, in your case, propped you up until you had worked hard to get something better. You DO realize that you just shot your whole argument in the foot, don’t you? It backs up everything I said above!
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Nope. What I' m saying is that I worked hard, then I was EXTREEMLY lucky in that I was eligible for multiple scholarships. Most people don't have access to that. My jobs would not have even been able to pay for my books. The singular reason that I live in a house that I own and a car that has been payed off is one thing: scholarships.
I need you to understand something. For some people it doesn't matter how hard you work, study and try. Some people are doomed to live in poverty for the rest of their lives. We, as members of the same society as these people, have a responsibility to them. If you were starving on the street, I would buy you food.
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Originally Posted by magictoy
Here is another little aspect of owning a business--it's not minimum wage-related, but it certainly has an impact on the funds employers have available to increase pay. Now employers may be responsible if an employee decides to have a kid they can't afford.
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'Another little aspect"? Weren't you just lecturing me on sarcasm?
Also, under your screen name and join date, doesn't your location say: "with my parents"? Dude, I really hope you're kidding.
Edit: I enjoyed your Ruch Limnough article, but do you have a link to the story anywhere else?