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Old 06-22-2006, 11:08 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by aceventura3
The US population is going to grow by about 30 million people in the next seven years.

Using an average of 4 per household, we will need to build 7.5 million new homes in the next 7 years simply to keep pace with projected population growth.

If we factor in homes needing replacement/second homes for baby boomers/vacation homes/and Oprah, I guess we would need to build close to 1.25 to 2 million homes per year.

With that kind of demand in the face of limited land resources and increasing slow or no growth cities, I don't see how we could have a prolong stall in real estate.
The following data indicates that, "in the best of times", new housing starts at a rate of about 2 million per year, was enough to supply, albeit, at rising prices, speculators and second home buyers with 760,000 of the 2 million homes built, and of course, these purchasers did not all buy new homes.

Home ownership reached 68 percent of all households recently, and is now declining....so you should deduct your demand "forecast", by one third, and if you concede that purchases by speculators and second home buyers will drop by at least 50 percent in a market of declining demand and price, drop another 380,000 units from your upper end estimate of 2 mllion. These adjustments bring your population driven demand forecast down to one million new units "needed".

Now....consider that dropping new housing starts in half will effect a negative ripple throughout the economy, as will rising interest rates. Consider that the U.S. Treasury is the largest short term debtor in the world. It has issued a huge sum of short term, "Arm" like debt at low rates, that it will be compelled to refinance at higher rates. Consider that the U.S. is nearing a $3 trillion "run up" in new debt, on top of $5.5 trillion in prior debt, in just seven years! The previous debt service cost, in a low interest rate environment was only $318 billion from the annual federal budget.

The point is, that all of this debt demand will keep interest rates high, even if the dollar was strong enough to compete with rising EURO central bank interest rates, which it isn't. The Fed must match all future EURO interest rate increases, in order to lure foreign investors into rising sums of U.S. Treasury bonds.

Consider that no one has to own a home, let alone two or more, and that you have no idea how many existing second homes are owned by non-speculators, and that we can only guess how many newly started of planned to be built homes will end up in unsold inventory, to further dampen your one million per year, home creation projection.

You can't know how many foreclosures and bankruptcies in the now accelerating climate of default, will push new foreclosures on the market to compete, at low prices with retail MLS inventory, or the effect on price that this pressure on inventory and retail prices, will have....<b>or how many folks will no longer qualify to purchase homes because of poorer credit scores, unemployment, or bankruptcy.</b>

Would you invest in industries that you claimed would be supported, at a level of at least 1.25 million housing starts, for the next seven years? That is an optimistic forecast that leaves home builders to build and market into declining demand and prices, a building rate that is only 5/8 of the current rate, AT BEST!!

During the 1930's depression, my grandfather worked for a local gas untility co. He supported, and housed his wife and three kids, his in-laws, and their son. There is nothing that precludes households "doubling up", if the economy declines the way I expect that it will, in the coming years. I see nothing in your post that "stands up", given the fundamentals faced by the U.S. in the near future. We live in a bankrupted country with a near worthless fiat paper currency, that has not begun to erode, the way that gold and silver buyers, and the folks who hold oil reserves in the ground, expect that it will.
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http://www.foreclosure.com/
Last update: 6/22/06 1:10 PM
Foreclosures: 112,513
Preforeclosures:234,619
Bankruptcies: 346,208
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http://realtytimes.com/rtcpages/2005...peculation.htm
Speculators Could Be The Pin To Pop The Housing Bubble
by Broderick Perkins


......Investors accounted for what's likely a record 23 percent of all home sales last year, according to the National Association of Realtors' recently released "2005 National Association of Realtors Profile of Second-Home Buyers".

NAR says only three percent of all home buyers sell their homes within a year but, while the investor purchase portion is 23 percent, other second home buyers who become aware of the perceived potential for a return on their property may very well take a more speculative approach. <b>The second home market now accounts for 38 percent of the existing housing stock and 36 percent of all homes purchased last year, NAR said.....</b>
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http://www.realtor.org/publicaffairs...JuneForecast06
Home Sales Settling Down and Appreciation Slowing

WASHINGTON (June 6, 2006) –

.....Existing-home sales are projected to drop 6.8 percent to 6.60 million this year from the record 7.08 million in 2005. New-home sales are forecast to fall 13.4 percent to 1.11 million from a record 1.28 million in 2005. Housing starts are likely to decline 6.2 percent to 1.94 million in 2006 compared with 2.07 million last year......

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...i-business-hed
Builders' confidence lowest in 11 years

Bloomberg News
Published June 20, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Confidence among U.S. home builders dropped this month to the lowest level in more than 11 years as higher mortgage rates caused sales to fall.

The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo's index of builder confidence declined to 42, the lowest level since April 1995, from 46 in May, the association said Monday.

A number below 50 means pessimists outnumber optimists. The index has not increased for the last eight months, the longest such stretch since 1994. Economists had expected a reading of 45 for the index, which averaged 67 in 2005.

.......... The overall decline "is not inconsistent with the reasonably orderly cooling-down process we're projecting for home sales and single-family housing starts in 2006," said David Seiders, chief economist at the National Association of Home Builders.

The number of homes available for sale is 35 percent higher than it was a year ago, according to a recent Wachovia Securities report, which called the housing slowdown "worse than we thought."

The housing slowdown is prompting an exodus of speculators, who buy homes and quickly "flip" them for a profit, said John Herrmann, director of economic commentary at Cantor Fitzgerald LP in New York.

"The home-flipping culture that we've had in the last three years, that is clearly being rapidly eliminated," he said. There is also a "slowing of traffic by people looking for second and third homes."

The average rate on a 30-year fixed mortgage was 6.63 percent last week, according to mortgage giant Freddie Mac. That compares with an average of 6.60 percent in May and 5.6 percent in June of 2005.
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