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Frosstbyte · 06-20-2006, 10:51 PM

yes, Gilda, I readily concede that point. I'm making an ultra-specific point about homosexuality and its place in organism reproduction and development and I've tuned my terminology based on that specificity.

Outside of that admittedly limited scope, none of those are words I'd use to describe homosexuality in any sort of social, moral, political or sexual context. I'm not sure either that I want to blow the door wide open on the greater context of how everyone feels about homosexuality or that this thread is the best place for it. The topic is the biological basis for homosexuality, so I've tried to constrain my discussion to the biological aspects.

To stray slightly, I think people who are against homosexuality and gay marriage are simply against gays and gay marriage. Whatever reasons they use are rationalizations, but their hate is as learned and irrational as racism. That's what they say because they're trying to make "I've been told by my parents and social groups that gays are bad and god doesn't want them to exist" into an argument that holds some weight. That gays can't reproduce is one of many misdirections that attempt to turn their irrational beliefs into a meaningful argument they can use to persuade other people.

Responding to such an argument only justifies its legitimacy. Even if you could successfully refute it by showing something like gays being equally adept parents if they adopt/use surrogates, they'd simply replace it with another reason why gay marriage is an invasion of their sacred institution. It's a straw man, and should be treated as such.

Their argument is actually, "My faith teaches me that homosexuality is wrong and because of that I don't think my government should implicitly support a gay lifestyle by allowing for gay marriage." For obvious reasons, people don't like to make that argument, so they come up with ways that attempt to get around it. This isn't to say that people can't believe things based on faith, I just don't see any point in responding to a fake, but more palatable argument instead of acknowledging what is actually at issue.

06-20-2006, 10:51 PM	#39 (permalink)
Frosstbyte Winter is Coming Location: The North	yes, Gilda, I readily concede that point. I'm making an ultra-specific point about homosexuality and its place in organism reproduction and development and I've tuned my terminology based on that specificity. Outside of that admittedly limited scope, none of those are words I'd use to describe homosexuality in any sort of social, moral, political or sexual context. I'm not sure either that I want to blow the door wide open on the greater context of how everyone feels about homosexuality or that this thread is the best place for it. The topic is the biological basis for homosexuality, so I've tried to constrain my discussion to the biological aspects. To stray slightly, I think people who are against homosexuality and gay marriage are simply against gays and gay marriage. Whatever reasons they use are rationalizations, but their hate is as learned and irrational as racism. That's what they say because they're trying to make "I've been told by my parents and social groups that gays are bad and god doesn't want them to exist" into an argument that holds some weight. That gays can't reproduce is one of many misdirections that attempt to turn their irrational beliefs into a meaningful argument they can use to persuade other people. Responding to such an argument only justifies its legitimacy. Even if you could successfully refute it by showing something like gays being equally adept parents if they adopt/use surrogates, they'd simply replace it with another reason why gay marriage is an invasion of their sacred institution. It's a straw man, and should be treated as such. Their argument is actually, "My faith teaches me that homosexuality is wrong and because of that I don't think my government should implicitly support a gay lifestyle by allowing for gay marriage." For obvious reasons, people don't like to make that argument, so they come up with ways that attempt to get around it. This isn't to say that people can't believe things based on faith, I just don't see any point in responding to a fake, but more palatable argument instead of acknowledging what is actually at issue. Last edited by Frosstbyte; 06-20-2006 at 11:26 PM..