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smooth · 06-14-2006, 06:42 AM

well, stevo, first of all, host himself already posted that the 2004 ohio elections weren't diebold electronic operations. I already quoted him and, as mentioned, I pulled it from the first sentence of his second post, so your smugness about "alerting" the tfp members to this fact is becoming a red herring. worse, it appears that you've used your new "findings" as a springboard to insult a fellow member of tfp. we ought to strive to raise the standards of discourse on this board, and that would begin with reading other people's posts in their entirety. even those you disagree with predominantly, such as host's, and if you had done so you would have noticed that he already posted what you are now "discovering" much later in the discussion.

your question about why someone would discuss diebold in this thread at all is valid...once. I'll explain how I see it as relevant and you can take that explanation or leave it, but I'm not going to chase after your logic any further than this post I'm making right now.

first of all, host's post is a question of whether and to what extent voting fraud or irregularities in ohio should be explored. since there is of yet no direct evidence that deliberate fraud occurred, it appears to me to be appropriately relevent to discuss proven or alleged deliberate fraud in other contested voting regions.

that is, look what apparently occurred in florida and wonder to oneself whether it's even feasable that such things happen at all. if deliberate vote tampering occurred in florida, it's conceivable it occurred in ohio.

secondly, regardless of what method the votes were taken in 2004, the fact remains that in 2006 the machines being used to tally votes in ohio are diebold machines. they are also used in california. in fact, only diebold and one other company produce over 80% of all electronic voting machines in this country.

given that, we ought to look at what is being discovered about their tamperability--as a seperate issue of whether it occurred.

so we have a few issues: whether vote tampering happens at all (let's examine the diebold interactins in florida for guidance) and whether it occurred in ohio (let's examine the physical votes in the form of a recount) and whether it could conceivably occur in the future (and now we examine diebold's role in current ohio elections).

06-14-2006, 06:42 AM	#83 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	well, stevo, first of all, host himself already posted that the 2004 ohio elections weren't diebold electronic operations. I already quoted him and, as mentioned, I pulled it from the first sentence of his second post, so your smugness about "alerting" the tfp members to this fact is becoming a red herring. worse, it appears that you've used your new "findings" as a springboard to insult a fellow member of tfp. we ought to strive to raise the standards of discourse on this board, and that would begin with reading other people's posts in their entirety. even those you disagree with predominantly, such as host's, and if you had done so you would have noticed that he already posted what you are now "discovering" much later in the discussion. your question about why someone would discuss diebold in this thread at all is valid...once. I'll explain how I see it as relevant and you can take that explanation or leave it, but I'm not going to chase after your logic any further than this post I'm making right now. first of all, host's post is a question of whether and to what extent voting fraud or irregularities in ohio should be explored. since there is of yet no direct evidence that deliberate fraud occurred, it appears to me to be appropriately relevent to discuss proven or alleged deliberate fraud in other contested voting regions. that is, look what apparently occurred in florida and wonder to oneself whether it's even feasable that such things happen at all. if deliberate vote tampering occurred in florida, it's conceivable it occurred in ohio. secondly, regardless of what method the votes were taken in 2004, the fact remains that in 2006 the machines being used to tally votes in ohio are diebold machines. they are also used in california. in fact, only diebold and one other company produce over 80% of all electronic voting machines in this country. given that, we ought to look at what is being discovered about their tamperability--as a seperate issue of whether it occurred. so we have a few issues: whether vote tampering happens at all (let's examine the diebold interactins in florida for guidance) and whether it occurred in ohio (let's examine the physical votes in the form of a recount) and whether it could conceivably occur in the future (and now we examine diebold's role in current ohio elections). __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman