Originally Posted by stevie667

How would you define intention? How would you define harm? Would you kill him, or just wound him? I'm all for killing intruders into ones home, but would you do the same on the streets?

Originally Posted by stevie667

You said people don't want guns, so if the bad guy has guns, that person now has no way to defend themselves, yes? Obviously they need to go buy a gun, because the bad guy has one.

Originally Posted by stevie667

Despite your claims otherwise, you don't seem to be grasping the difference between petty criminals and gang warfare. Your average criminal in england does not have a gun, your average criminal in england couldn't get a gun if he tried. Apart from the usual inner city/crime hotspots, guns are pretty rare. I'd imagine it would be significantly easier to get one in the states.

'Hardcore' criminals will have guns, normal criminals won't. Its hard to commit a gun crime if you don't have a gun. By definition, gun crime is drastically reduced. If someone has a knife, they are in theory less dangerous than someone with a gun, but still dangerous.
Getting knives off the streets, either by confiscating them/imprisoning or educating the owners is a priority. You'll never be able to get everyone to give up their weapons, thats stupid, but its a priority nonetheless. Your approach seems to be along the lines of 'well, theres gona be drunk drivers, so lets give law abiding people a tank'.

Ok, i accept the fact that guns arn't a major factor in child suicide, but what about gun accidents? Pretty hard to have a gun accident if you can't get hold of one.
I also never said petty criminal acts were violent acts, i said they were merely criminal, you then took it onto yourself to infer violence. The point was about the line between criminals and law abiders being a thing one.

I havn't bought into the idea of guns caused random acts of violence, i've watched in on many many a police reality show from the states. Watch a reality show from england, and you'll see a gun hardly ever, and even more rarely used.

Yes, you cannot stop bad people getting guns, but you can make it harder. I don't know why you consider your police so inept, but its their job to keep law and order, not ours.
You are simply subsituting one form of violence for another, not once have you properly adressed the problem behind it. Social change will not happen if one only tries to change one part of the populance.