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Originally Posted by stevie667
It is illegial for anyone under 16 to purchase a knife. Currently plans are under consideration to make possesion of an offensive blade a minimum of 5 years, and sale legal to over 18s only.
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and yet you are claiming that there is a high crime rate of kids with knives. If there is already a law against it, do you think that those kids are going to say 'oh crap, they made another law against knives. I better not carry now'?
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Originally Posted by stevie667
Banning guns won't prevent crime with those people who are intent on committing crimes with guns, of course not, i never said it would.
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yes you have. you've said that banning guns would prevent crime. not ALL crime, but it would prevent some crime.
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Originally Posted by stevie667
I meant some people are pacifists, or don't want to engage in a fight, and would much rather avoid potential trouble if asked for their wallet e.t.c. I doubt a little old lady would want to get in a fight (though saying that, i know a few who would give most robbers a thrash around the block).
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This is where I cannot fathom the logic of liberals. You are saying that by people submitting to someone ALREADY violating a persons rights, that they would never think of violating MORE of those rights, like beating/stabbing/shooting someone during the commission of a crime. It's like trying to tell criminals that as long as they can just get away with robbing a person, they need not worry about eliminating the eyewitness. The authorities will just let you go as long as you don't hurt the victim. crazy.
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Originally Posted by stevie667
Similarly, if someone comes up to you pointing a gun, do you really have time to pull out you gun and give them the ol' double tap? Unless you happen to do lots of weapon training, i doubt it.
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Then I would say get some training. fast.
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Originally Posted by stevie667
Guns do level the playing field, but omnidirectionally. Some punk who comes up to a body builder weilding a gun has a lot more weight behind him. He may not even consider him a target if he had just a knife or his bare hands.
If you give the law abiding people guns, you give it to criminals as well. Having guns in the states, thats something you have come to live with, but i doubt many people would like the idea of giving criminals another way to commit crime.
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criminals will always find a way to get a weapon, be it a gun, knife, or other deadly instrument whereas law abiding people will not posess them because of their illegality. You are giving criminals an advantage.
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Originally Posted by stevie667
The point is preventing crime, not just reacting to it, i keep saying this, and you keep ignoring it. Arming everyone is not a valid way to prevent crime.
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You cannot prevent crime by banning a weapon. Crime will exist whether its done with a gun, a knife, a ball bat, or even a motor vehicle. Banning a weapon will not prevent crime.
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Originally Posted by stevie667
Adult supervision didn't prevent those school massacres over there, all a kid has to do is pull a gun and fire, he can't be watched every second of every day.
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If those adults had been armed, they wouldn't have happened....or at least 90 percent of them. look at the timeline as well. school massacres didn't happen until AFTER gun free school zones were put in to effect.
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Originally Posted by stevie667
That leads me to another point, how many accidently deaths are there by kids each year playing with guns, or just people being idiots with guns anyway? Yeh you can say they wern't educated, but whos gona educate them about it, you?
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I've educated MY kids about them. Whats stopping others?
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Originally Posted by stevie667
The odds of my sister being raped and murdered on her way home are well, bugger all. The chance of her stabbing some shmuck when shes drunk, suprisingly high. Same goes for lots of people. Your arm the populance, and they will just do something stupid.
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Is your sister that much of a sociopath? Is she that unpredictable and psychotic that she would stab someone the first chance she gets if she had a knife?
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The aim should be to prevent crime in the first place. People will always offend, nothing you can really do about that. The less people you can get doing it the better, and the less armed they are the more so. Once they do offend, then i'm with you in chucking them away for a very long time.
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Hypothetically, if there were NO weapons to be had, be it guns, knives, clubs, etc. who do you think would be the most victimized? Those that are too old/young/weak/little to fight back. You'd be making victims of the weakest of society. That is not preventing crime. I've read stories every month about how some older man/woman shot a home invader here in texas and that had it not been for having that gun, they would have been robbed or worse. Now, would it be a better society if those older people were defenseless or if they were able to defend themselves?