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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
For the record all aid for the Russian-Afghan war was funded through the Pakistani ISI, America had no discretion as to how it was allotted. This is ofcourse due to the whole premise that the Mujahdeen movement would have been without merit it America "the Great Satan" had a direct hand in what was a conflict portrayed as an Islamic/Arab struggle.
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Bodyhammer86. the statement above is a nice intro to this 1998 Mainstream media report:
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/190144.asp?cp1=1
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http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache...s&ct=clnk&cd=1
Bin Laden comes home to roost
His CIA ties are only the beginning of a woeful story
By Michael Moran
MSNBC
NEW YORK, Aug. 24, 1998 — At the CIA, it happens often enough to have a code name: Blowback. Simply defined, this is the term that describes an agent, an operative or an operation that has turned on its creators. Osama bin Laden, our new public enemy Number 1, is the personification of blowback. And the fact that he is viewed as a hero by millions in the Islamic world proves again the old adage: Reap what you sow....
........As his unclassified CIA biography states, bin Laden left Saudi Arabia to fight the Soviet army in Afghanistan after Moscow’s invasion in 1979. By 1984, he was running a front organization known as Maktab al-Khidamar - the MAK - which funneled money, arms and fighters from the outside world into the Afghan war.
What the CIA bio conveniently fails to specify (in its unclassified form, at least) is that the MAK was nurtured by Pakistan’s state security services, the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, the CIA’s primary conduit for conducting the covert war against Moscow’s occupation......
..........HINDSIGHT OR TUNNEL VISION
It should be pointed out that the evidence of bin Laden’s connection to these activities is mostly classified, though its hard to imagine the CIA rushing to take credit for a Frankenstein’s monster like this.
It is also worth acknowledging that <b>it is easier now to oppose the CIA’s Afghan adventures than it was when Hatch and company made them in the mid-1980s.</b> After all, in 1998 we now know that far larger elements than Afghanistan were corroding the communist party’s grip on power in Moscow.
Even Hatch can’t be blamed completely. The CIA, ever mindful of the need to justify its “mission,” had conclusive evidence by the mid-1980s of the deepening crisis of infrastructure within the Soviet Union. The CIA, as its deputy director Robert Gates acknowledged under congressional questioning in 1992, had decided to keep that evidence from President Reagan and his top advisors and instead continued to grossly exaggerate Soviet military and technological capabilities in its annual “Soviet Military Power” report right up to 1990.
Given that context, a decision was made to provide America’s potential enemies with the arms, money - and most importantly - the knowledge of how to run a war of attrition violent and well-organized enough to humble a superpower.
That decision is coming home to roost.
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To dismiss the possibility that 9/11 was the "Pearl Harbor" that PNAC said would be necessary to implement it's agenda, and that Zarqawi was entirely, or almost entirely, an American "creation" that debuted in Powell's Feb. 5, 2003, is difficult, and probably not in my best interest to do.
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http://www.antiwar.com/orig/oneill.php?articleid=9119
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04277/388966.stm
Violent radical's influence grows beyond Mideast
Sunday, October 03, 2004
By Craig Whitlock, The Washington Post
.....Zarqawi was barely known outside Jordan until a year and a half ago, when Secretary of State Colin Powell identified him as a bin Laden "collaborator and associate." In a speech to the United Nations, Powell cited Zarqawi's presence in Baghdad as evidence that Iraq's president, Saddam Hussein, had struck an alliance with al-Qaida, a claim that became a major part of the Bush administration's argument for going to war........
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.....There is no mention of Zarqawi in the online archives of BBC News for 2001 or 2002. Yet after Powell’s speech Zarqawi started to become a talking point. He was mentioned in 23 articles in the Guardian in 2003, and in 50 articles published by BBC News in 2003. The turning point from being a "barely known" to becoming a notorious figure came courtesy of Bush and Powell.....
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I can't tell when the government is telling me the truth. How can you, how is it that some of you show no doubt?
Isn't it curious, that, when they couldn't "catch" Zarqawi, he was reduced by the same folks who bring you this "bombing Op"....to a clownish, incompetent stooge? Which is it? Stooge or death of a bogey man signifigant enough to turn the tide of war?
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http://www.mnf-iraq.com/Transcripts/060504.htm
IRAQ OPERATIONAL UPDATE BRIEFING BRIEFER: MAJOR GENERAL RICK LYNCH, SPOKESMAN, MULTINATIONAL FORCE IRAQ LOCATION: COMBINED PRESS INFORMATION CENTER, BAGHDAD, IRAQ TIME: 8:00 A.M. EDT DATE: THURSDAY, MAY 4, 2006
.....Next clip, please. Okay, that's still the first one. The next clip, please.
Okay, there. You saw this on the Internet, him firing this machine gun, apparently at no targets, out in the middle of the desert. He's very proud of the fact that he can operate this machine gun, and he proclaims that, and all of his close associates there are very proud of what Zarqawi does.
This piece you don't see, as he walks away, he's wearing his black uniform and his New Balance tennis shoes as he moves this white pickup truck. And his close associates around him, his trusted advisors, do things like grab the hot barrel of the machine gun and burn themselves. Makes you wonder.
Next slide, please -- next clip.
Here's Zarqawi, the ultimate warrior, trying to shoot his machine gun. It's supposed to be automatic fire. He's shooting single shots. One of the times something's wrong with his machine gun. He looks down, can't figure it out, calls his friend to come block -- unblock the stoppage and get the weapon firing again.
So what you saw on the Internet was what he wanted the world to see -- look at me, I'm a capable leader of a capable organization, and we are indeed declaring war against democracy inside of Iraq, and we're going to establish an Islamic caliphate. <b>What he didn't show you were the clips that I showed, wearing New Balance sneakers with his uniform, surrounded by supposedly competent subordinates who grab the hot barrel of a just-fired machine gun; have a warrior leader, Zarqawi, who doesn't understand how to operate his weapon system and has to rely on his subordinates to clear a weapon stoppage. It makes you wonder.</b>
So study the enemy, capabilities, vulnerabilities and intentions. Zarqawi and al Qaeda, these are their intentions: establish an Islamic caliphate, remove the coalition forces and the Shi'a population from the region, and destabilize the apostate government.
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Yeah, General Lynch, it does "make you wonder". I wonder how some of the folks who post here know what to embrace, or dispute, and how much of what they embrace is more about how they "feel" than about what the facts vs. the contradictions and later exposure of outright lies by their government officials should affect opinion.
Remember the "mobile bio weapons trailers"? They were described by Powell at the UN, in the same presentation where he rolled out the al Zarqawi / Al Qaeda connection.
Say....has anybody even wondered if this Zarqawi corpse has a leg missing, or not? Wasn't treatment of his leg, the reason that he was in Baghdad in 2002 for medical treatment. That was the story that our government fed us to link Saddam to Al Qaeda. Do any of these questions even matter, in a "breaking news" environment, like this one?
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http://www.suntimes.com/output/iraq/zarq10.html
<b>Iraqi says troops beat man resembling al-Zarqawi</b>
June 10, 2006
BY PATRICK QUINN ASSOCIATED PRESS
....The man, who lived near the scene of the bombing, claimed in an interview with AP Television News to have seen U.S. soldiers beating an injured man resembling al-Zarqawi until blood flowed from the man's nose.
When asked about the man's allegations, military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said he would check. In Washington, Pentagon spokesman Jeffrey Gordon said Saturday he was unaware of the claim.
The Iraqi, identified as Mohammed Ahmed, claimed that residents put the man in an ambulance before U.S. forces arrived. The American military team then pulled the man from the ambulance and beat him, Ahmed said. He gave a similar account to The Washington Post.....
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If it matters more to you that your expectations are "met" by government disclosures, than if the disclosures are actually true, what does this show you about your own POV...might it actually be that the result is your own, personal "Blowback", as a consequence of too much patriotic feeling, and not enough curiosity?
Last edited by host; 06-10-2006 at 01:37 PM..
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