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Originally Posted by Seaver
Host, seriously, more and more you grab at straws in your attempt to deny anything this administration does which results in something good. Instead you turn the entire government into mass murderers.
9/11, Gitmo, and now Zarkawi is innocent of decapitation... it was actually the US.
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Seaver, the military already accidentally revealed that they planted "stuff" about Zarqawi that may have been untrue.....so why would today's "news" demand a "hands off" reaction. They already broke our trust....
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...040900890.html
The U.S. military is conducting a propaganda campaign to magnify the role of the leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, according to internal military documents and officers familiar with the program. The effort has raised his profile in a way that some military intelligence officials believe may have overstated his importance and helped the Bush administration tie the war to the organization responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.....
......One slide in the same briefing, for example, noted that a "selective leak" about Zarqawi was made to Dexter Filkins, a New York Times reporter based in Baghdad. Filkins's resulting article, about a letter supposedly written by Zarqawi and boasting of suicide attacks in Iraq, ran on the Times front page on Feb. 9, 2004..........
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<b>I already posted the preceding quotes in a larger excerpt on this thread, ans still Seaver.....you responded by posting a criticism of me.....Aren't you "shooting the messenger"? How can we possibly accept that Zarqawi was "killed" or that it is even a signifigant event, when the "authorities" that you criticize me for relentlessly challenging and questioning, were caught deliberately misinforming us about Zarqawi and exaggerating his signifigance and role in Iraq?</b>
Seaver, isn't it established now that Powell's nearly entire Feb. 5, 2003 presentation to the UN general assembly was misleading, or outright untrue, even though it was the U.S. administration's official, justification to the world, to invade and occupy Iraq? Isn't it true, that for many months after the "mobile weapons" lab "component" of that Powell presentation, was known to be debunked, that officials as high in authority as Rumsfeld, Bush, and Cheney, continued to cite the "trailers" as "justification for the invasion?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101888_pf.html
Lacking Biolabs, Trailers Carried Case for War
Administration Pushed Notion of Banned Iraqi Weapons Despite Evidence to Contrary
By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 12, 2006; A01
On May 29, 2003, 50 days after the fall of Baghdad, President Bush proclaimed a fresh victory for his administration in Iraq: Two small trailers captured by U.S. and Kurdish troops had turned out to be long-sought mobile "biological laboratories." He declared, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction."
The claim, repeated by top administration officials for months afterward, was hailed at the time as a vindication of the decision to go to war. <b>But even as Bush spoke, U.S. intelligence officials possessed powerful evidence that it was not true......</b>
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Powell's own key aide of 16 years said:
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/
Former aide: Powell WMD speech 'lowest point in my life'
Tuesday, August 23, 2005; Posted: 10:44 a.m. EDT (14:44 GMT)
(CNN) -- A former top aide to Colin Powell says his involvement in the former secretary of state's presentation to the United Nations on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction was "the lowest point" in his life.
"I wish I had not been involved in it," says Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, a longtime Powell adviser who served as his chief of staff from 2002 through 2005. <b>"I look back on it, and I still say it was the lowest point in my life."
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Wilkerson is one of several insiders interviewed for the CNN Presents documentary "Dead Wrong -- Inside an Intelligence Meltdown." The program pieced together the events leading up to the mistaken WMD intelligence that was presented to the public. A presidential commission that investigated the pre-war WMD intelligence found much of it to be "dead wrong."
Powell's speech, delivered on February 5, 2003, made the case for the war by presenting U.S. intelligence that purported to prove that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Wilkerson says the information in Powell's presentation initially came from a document he described as "sort of a Chinese menu" that was provided by the White House.....
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My POV is not the "problem", Seaver,
The total lack of this administration's own credibility, squandered in stages, by deliberate lies and distortions in pursuit of aggressive war and attacks on American's constitutionally guaranteed rights, and unprecedented sums spent on distribution of propaganda and misinformation, by U.S, civilian and military authorities, have created a climate where everything that thet say or do is suspect, and should be met with debate and criticism by everyone, not just me.
Seaver, is it more my fault that Bush's approval rating is in the shitter, at 30 percent now....or is it more his fault, and to a degree....yours....for letting him think that he could mislead the world and act contrary to our best interests and the constitution, with no challenge and little questioning of his actions and motives, by you....and the folks who have only defected from unquestioningly supporting him....in just the past year or so?
That's the real question, Seaver, and the answers that are coming in show that history will not be kind to the Bush administration, or to those who supported it. Your criticism of me amounts to baseless scapegoating.