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Originally Posted by jimbob
Actually I'm not too sure about the relevance of the thread as a whole. Are you suggesting that there are people who don't think terrorism exists, or do you simply think some people don't see it as a threat? A story about a group of alleged terrorists who were prevented from committing an act of terrorism indicates that there is a threat, but it is contained, so there's less of a need to worry. Let's be honest, worrying gets us nowhere. The lesson from this story is "stop worrying but stay vigilant".
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I felt the same way when I first read his post but I think he may be referring to when I compare the "war on terror" to the 1984 war on Eurasia or Eastasia, which the novel quite strongly implies is imaginary. Therefore, it's not so far a stretch to think that such statements imply that terrorism is imaginary, which is not a statement I wish to make. We all watched two planes fly into the World Trade Center. Terrorism does happen.
However, the point I was trying to make is that a war, any war, can be used to justify any act by a government. We've seen countless examples of how the government has performed actions or passed laws that are clearly not in your best interests in order to "make you safe" and it's only getting worse. This is the analogy I was trying to make and it's still a strong one.
Furthermore, if there was ever a trumped up war, it's the "war on terror." Why is it a war? Why aren't you just looking for terrorists and the world goes about it's business as usual? The US governement is hyping the threat of terrorism in order to gain more power. It's been almost five years since 9/11 happened. If I recall correctly, only seven years before that, a home grown nut performed, what was then, the worst act of terrorism on US soil. So, it doesn't seem as if the threat of terrorism has risen any higher but the threat to your freedoms certainly has...
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Originally Posted by Seaver
The purpose of the planned attack can not be simply written off as a lone delusional man as in Oklahoma City, it was to be a very well planned and highly organized attack with multiple members.
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Can it be "written off" as a lone group of multiple delusional members?
Seriously, I'm not sure what you're trying to say, here. In what way do you think this might be "written off?" What does their orginaziation matter? And how organized were they? They were caught, after all...
It does seem to me that
Seaver would gladly give up liberty for security, something with which I vehemently disagree. If you give up your civil liberties because of fear from the terrorists, they've already won...
Also,
Seaver, if you don't mind, I'd like to complain about your thread title.
Couldn't you have picked a more descriptive thread title? One of my biggest peeves about web forums is when people choose thread titles that don't sufficiently describe the thread's subject. "Further proof" of what? Every time I see a thread titled like this, I always wonder if it's worth potentially wasting my time to see if the thread interests me. Next time,
please don't be afraid to actually say what you want to talk about...