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Originally Posted by Toaster126
What's to say? I believe people can understand without personal experience.
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I agree with this statement.
In fact, although perhaps this is due to my age/inexperience, I would even venture to say that it may even be easier to understand - intellectually - without personal experience.
However, I think what what many people mean when they say this isn't necessarily
understand, but
empathize.
I believe that it understanding a person is far easier to do when you are a third party, unaffected by that person's daily life or emotions. If this weren't the case, I can't imagine going to therapy would be much help to anyone.
I'll agree with the Original Poster to some extent - not the broad generalizations that depressed people are losers - but the underlying sentiment that many people constantly find factors to blame their behavior on, whether it be depression, peer pressure, alchohol, or other drugs.
Granted, I have never personally experienced depression - at least to my knowledge - but I really don't think that you can summarily say that depressed people are losers and failures, at least not without getting much more specific as to the criteria. I could agree with the sentiment that depressed people fail at being happy, but that's rather obvious, wouldn't you say? To say that they fail at life - well, that's just so ridiculous I won't even begin to get more indepth than to say how rather blatently false that is.
On a side note, JinnKai, I imagine that you've been around on the TFP long enough to know that there are a number of people that frequent this forum that are depressed.
Don't you think that saying things like
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If you are depressed, you are a failure.
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With understanding that there are legitimate (8)'s out there, most people are not. Anecdotally and experimentally, I can say with a high degree of confidence that most "depressed" people have not been diagnosed as chemically depressed. Those that have been diagnosed as such can accept that the mental techniques described herein may not be applicable.
For the rest of you losers out there, it does.
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is a bit like telling someone who is suicidal that the world would be better off without them and handing them a razor blade and a bottle of sleeping pills?
I'm glad you got out of your depression and all, but perhaps jumping to meglomaniac pseudo-intellectual wasn't all that much of an improvement.
I don't really see where "Lover - Protector - Teacher" comes into play at all in this thread - I've never heard of a lover, protector, or a teacher call someone a failure and a loser and have that same person be even remotely interested in what else you would have to say....