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Originally Posted by rainheart
How annoying. You didn't even address my points.
Ok then, no point wasting my energy. Have a nice day!  |
Pardon? I addressed your entire post with a few sentences, out of respect for our completely different views on the matter. But by all means, we can't have you wasting energy.
Here is the detailed disagreement you require:
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Parents are so severely handicapped that they have no choice but to secede all parenting rights to various third parties.
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This is such a gross exaggeration I can't believe a response is expected. If you know parents - or if you are a parent - that gives over all parenting rights to "various third parties" then the problem is with the parent and not the third parties.
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If you had a kid, how much time would you have to be there during the days when he or she needs your attention? Not much, I'd bet-
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Again, are you serious? When you have a kid, time is spent with the kid, as opposed to just about everything else. If not, then again the problem is with the parent. But you suppose "not much."
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especially if you wanted your kid to get all those expensive advantages in life. What's all that stuff being advertised on TV that your kids need or will beg for? Diapers. Hot-wheels cars. Barbie dolls. Clothes. Cell-phones. Computers. PS3's. The videogames that go along with them. Bread & butter. Sunny-D. Braces. Proactiv. Soft-contact lenses. Post-secondary tuition fees. Cars
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Materialistic parents will breed materialistic children. If you don't know how to tell your kid "No" then you need some more practice before having children. Kids wanting everything they see on tv is nothing new. My parents never let it ruin their lives, did yours? As for the diapers and braces and whatnot: don't have kids if you can't afford diapers. It sounds like you're just complaining about how expensive kids are. You're right; they are, but it helps if you don't buy them everything they see on tv.
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All those things cost money.
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Something we agree on.
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That means you have to work. A lot.
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Again, we agree.
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To the point where you can't be there to provide the psychological support for your kids
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Now we're back on track, disagreeing whole-heartedly. How you make this connection is beyond me. I'm sure there are people like this, and I feel bad for their kids, but they're certainly not the majority of parents, and I'm certainly not one of them. If you don't have the time to offer the support for your kids that they need, then you're not being a good parent. There is no one else to blame.
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Daycare. Nannies. Private Schools. Public Schools. Extra-curricular activities. Day-time cartoons. Night-time cartoons. It grows on itself so much that even the advertisements for all those toys begin to tell your kids how to behave.
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School is a part of life. We all went through it. Extra curricular activities are supposed to be fun. If they're not, find some that are. Cartoons have a part in most kids' life, I know they did in mine. I see nothing sinister here. And when toy commercials start telling your kids how to behave, I'd say it's time to spend some time with them instead of sitting them down in front of the television all day. You know, offer some psychological support.
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This is what your kids are raised on.
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I beg to differ. You're confusing my kids with someone who doesn't know how to raise them.
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You want to talk about conservative? I'm a frickin' conservative. I don't think people should have that much control over how your kids are raised. So when someone calls themself a conservative and supports promoting abstinence and only abstinence, one of the grounds of that being that the parents just aren't competent to raise their kids, I get infuriated. Call yourself a conservative if you like. I don't want to offend you but rather shock you into thinking about the bigger picture for a bit- so don't take it personally when I say that I think what you say is ignorant.
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Well, I'm not a conservative. Don't really know what you're trying to say here. You seem to be implying that "conservatives" have some nerve, and are telling parents that they don't know how to raise their own kids...while at the same time saying that...parent's don't have the time or the energy to raise their own kids...
you're logic alludes me.
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Now, why would you not be up in arms about this?
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About what? I still don't see what the problem is. Someone is telling kids to not have sex before marriage. You are saying that is unrealistic and what they should be saying is: "If you have sex, wear protection." I don't see a problem with either viewpoint. They are both good bits of advice. But that is where actually being a parent comes into play. Either be one, or hand the duties off to "third parties" and hope for the best. And then wonder why you have no control over your child as they grow.
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It's easy to ignore it, sure. It's like holding someones head down in the water while they drown and saying it's their own fault they can't swim. It doesn't matter, because they are being forced into drowning. This is not about empowering the parents at all.
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If you are comparing drowning to unprotected sex, I'm going to have to disagree with you some more. Teaching abstinece does not force kids to have unprotected sex. Being a parent that doesn't discuss important topics
such as sex, drugs and all that jazz with their children is what leads to
unprotected sex.
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So is the government-industrial complex going to teach your kids how to act or are you? Is it even a choice at this point?
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Isn't that what I said in the first place? For some, life is what you make it. For others, life is what they tell you it is.