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Originally Posted by willravel
We need a green or indi president to have any real change. ...
Who is more trust worthy? Clinton lies about nailing the fat chick vs. Bush lies about secret wire tapping of Americans, he lies about reasons to go to war with another country that was not a danger to the US in any way, shape, or form, and he lies about Iran developing nuclear weapons. Jee...whos' lie(s) hurt more people? Who's lies rape our constitution? Who's lies kill innocent civilians? Who's lies are headed in the direction (if not already arrived at) a police state?
I know Clinton wasn't perfect. There were some botched military operations, and some people did die, but he never led us to war. Clinton's lies were more like that of a teenager caught cheating on his girlfriend. "What? I wouldn't touch her!"
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Yes, yes, yes! You will NEVER see change with a two party system. Look at the Gay Rights movement from the 1960's to the present. We've gotten nowhere, unless you count the ability to watch chicks make out on
The L Word. On one hand you've got Bush... And on the other, Howard Dean, Hil, and that ilk saying that of COURSE they believe in family values (keeping the 'mos in shackles) and supporting a bill to ban flag burning (oh yeah, THAT sounds like freedom of speech). Ugh.