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Martian · 05-18-2006, 05:53 PM

Something doesn't jive here.

I grabbed a paper off the guy's website on the nature of this new gas and am reading it now - so far as I'm able to tell, it's all based on this HHO gas. This isn't a mix of H2 and O2. If it were it wouldn't be anything revolutionary, since the idea of electrolysis (converting water into hydrogen and oxygen gas) has been around for a very long time now.

Rather, he seems to suggest a new structure; instead of H-O-H, which is water, he suggests H-H-O. the problem is that this isn't stable; It would quickly break up into H2 and O, with the oxygen atoms bonding together and forming O2.

He seems to suggest that this doesn't happen due to something called a 'magnecular bond.' It's been a long time since chemistry class but I don't remember ever hearing the term, and google isn't turning up much in the way of useful information. Regardless, I'll read through the paper and see what I can find out.

EDIT - Well, I'll be the first to admit that chemistry is not my forté, but this paper doesn't seem to make any sense. The author suggests that structuring the gas as H-H-O is oversimplifying, as it is in actuality a mixture of H2, O2, H-O and H2O bonded in some non-valent magnetic fashion. The problem here is that all bonds as to my understanding are valent in nature - that is to say, an atom with a full valence orbit is unable to accept a bond with another atom. Masybe someone with a better understanding of these things can clear this up, but as far as I can tell this isn't actually possible.

05-18-2006, 05:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
Martian Young Crumudgeon Location: Canada	Something doesn't jive here. I grabbed a paper off the guy's website on the nature of this new gas and am reading it now - so far as I'm able to tell, it's all based on this HHO gas. This isn't a mix of H<sub>2</sub> and O<sub>2</sub>. If it were it wouldn't be anything revolutionary, since the idea of electrolysis (converting water into hydrogen and oxygen gas) has been around for a very long time now. Rather, he seems to suggest a new structure; instead of H-O-H, which is water, he suggests H-H-O. the problem is that this isn't stable; It would quickly break up into H<sub>2</sub> and O, with the oxygen atoms bonding together and forming O<sub>2</sub>. He seems to suggest that this doesn't happen due to something called a 'magnecular bond.' It's been a long time since chemistry class but I don't remember ever hearing the term, and google isn't turning up much in the way of useful information. Regardless, I'll read through the paper and see what I can find out. EDIT - Well, I'll be the first to admit that chemistry is not my forté, but this paper doesn't seem to make any sense. The author suggests that structuring the gas as H-H-O is oversimplifying, as it is in actuality a mixture of H<sub>2</sub>, O<sub>2</sub>, H-O and H<sub>2</sub>O bonded in some non-valent magnetic fashion. The problem here is that all bonds as to my understanding are valent in nature - that is to say, an atom with a full valence orbit is unable to accept a bond with another atom. Masybe someone with a better understanding of these things can clear this up, but as far as I can tell this isn't actually possible. __________________ I wake up in the morning more tired than before I slept I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept I get through thinkin' now, and the thoughts have left my head I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said - Ben Harper, Show Me A Little Shame Last edited by Martian; 05-18-2006 at 06:11 PM..