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Originally Posted by smooth
dksuddeth,
you're not making much sense to me
Moreno didn't commit a crime WITH a firearm, the ONLY crime Moreno committed was possessing an illegal weapon. then he was released, then he killed someone.
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actually, he committed a crime as well as possessing an illegal weapon. drug possession, along with an unregistered NFA weapon, should have been grounds to hold him til trial.
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Originally Posted by smooth
how long should someone get for carrying a weapon the state says is illegal?
1 year? 2 years? 5? what will it take, in your opinion, to prevent such a person from ever committing a crime again? if you can't answer that definatively, what's the purpose of even saying your point #1?
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The way the current brady law is makes it illegal for a felon to possess a gun. Now, how many felons actually follow that law? I'm guessing that there's a sizable percentage, but the real issue is the felons who don't plan on following the law anyway. That's why I'm of the position that the real determination for gun rights should be 'can this person be trusted in society again?', because if a person is going to commit another crime, a stupid gun law isn't going to stop him. So if the person CAN be trusted in society again, he should get all of his rights back. The soft hearted liberals have reduced these sentence standards which is a partial cause of the high crime in society as it is today.
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Originally Posted by smooth
are you seriously going to dig up a quote from someone saying that if you carry some types of weapons you should face the stocks or gallows?
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yes, but only to show that firearm crime wasn't rampant back then because you didn't get a second chance to commit a crime with a gun. you were either imprisoned for life or you were hung/executed.
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Originally Posted by smooth
doesn't such a position contradict your earlier arguments that it's socially irresponsible to prohibit people from owning certain weapons?
or do sawed-off shotguns fall within your personal scope of invalid weapons?
and if they do, why can't handguns fall within mine?
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it does, but only because it has to at this point. Until we can make changes in sentencing and imprisonment standards, there has to be some sort of 'qualifier' to own a gun, not that it works anyway.
sawed off shotguns are a valid weapon, but they are required to be registered with the BATF and a $200 tax payed for each individual weapon, according to the National Firearms Act of 1934