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Well ok it looks like this thread is getting off topic, so to get everything back on track here we go.
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Much appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Dilbert1234567
I’d like to open with popular mechanics thorough debunking; it goes through and tells the most up to date material.
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Sure thing. I love Pop Mech, and I've been a subscriber since I was in 8th grade. I've read and gone through a lot of the article elsewhere, but for the sake of discussion, I'd be glad to revisit it.
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Originally Posted by Popular Mechanics
CLAIM: Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one."
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While I don't want to say it was controled demolition (I'm not here to speculate), I do think that the videos of the collapse don't look like they resulted from fire. I'll like the video so everyone can see it.
If the .gif vid doesn't work, let me know and I'll find another.
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Originally Posted by Popular Mechanics
Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.
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While I don't particularly like the title of conspiracy theorist (conjures up pictures of X-Files and such), I'll say for the sake of arument that group includes me. Yes, the FEMA report is incredibly vague about the collapse of the WTC7 building, basically admitting that they really don't knoww how or why it collapsed, and asking for further investigation. The second investigation was done by the NIST, or the National Institue of Standards and Technology. In the NIST report, the claim is that a large area of the South face of WTC7 was severly damaged by falling debris, presumabally from the South Tower. This theory does not support symetrical collapse.
This picture is an estimation of the damage to the 7th WTC building. If one or a few columns had failed, one might expect a portion of the building to crumble while leaving much of the building standing. For example, major portions of WTC 5 remained standing on 9/11 despite very significant impact damage and severe fires. Had the building fallen in a non symetrical manner, i wouldn't have given it a second thought. The problem is that only one part of one side of the building was damaged, and the fires were going out, and the building collapsed in 6 seconds. Forgive me, but the Pop Mech article doesn't touch on these points.
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"There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says.
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Sunder lied. One of the main supporting claims for the collapse theorists is that firefighters and first response personel inside the building described a lot of damage inside the building. The infamous "Pull it" statement by WTC7 owner Larry Silverstein indicated that he wanted to pull all of the firefighting personel out of the building as he thought it was a lost cause. The following is a quote from Larry Silverstein's spokesperson, McQuillan:
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In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building.
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So there was firefighting going on at WTC7 on 9/11 after the collissions and before the collapse.
Dilbert, I hope you don't mind if I turn this into a two part response. I have to go out for a job interview in a bit. I'll read and respond to your post later this evening or tomorrow.