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Dilbert, if the picture that I "keep showing"...is different than the engine photgraped on Murray St., where would the landfill jet engine pics from the FEMA website, have come from? The landfill was closed on March 21, 2001, after operating since 1948. It was only reopened to receive WTC 9/11 rubble.
There is yellow "crime scene" tape visible in both FEMA photos...here are the links and the captions:
<b>The following report indicates that it is doubtful than another WTC hijacked airliner engine combustion chamber was found...it was unprecedented that the flight and data recorder "black boxes were not found...</b>
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http://www.sptimes.com/2002/02/24/Wo...ets__bla.shtml
(Richard Pyle AP)
Still, both jets' black boxes remain unfound
By Associated Press
February 24, 2002
But the attacks were an unprecedented survival test for the misnamed "black boxes." The two wide-bodied jets, carrying 157 people including 10 hijackers, were mostly destroyed by the fires and collapsing towers.
"It's extremely rare that we don't get the recorders back. <b>I can't recall another domestic case in which we did not recover the recorders,"</b> said Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the National Transportation Safety Board.
<b>"So little (airplane) debris has been recovered that there's really no way to quantify it," FBI spokesman Joseph Valiquette said. The only pieces on display at the landfill were a piece of United 175's fuselage and several pieces of landing gear.</b>
"Of course we know what happened on Sept. 11, but it goes beyond that," Valiquette said. "We don't know what was said in the cockpits, by the crew members or by the hijackers. Is there language implicating other individuals who might have been involved? Is al-Qaida mentioned? Is there idle chatter about other plans for that day or subsequently?"
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<b>The rest of the quote boxes that follow, indicate to me that the authorities in charge of the 9/11 attacks "investigation" gave us information about what they found.....or in the case of the flight 175 and flight 11 "black boxes.....didn't find.....that defies credulity. The last quote box shows the DOJ admitting that FBI agents "looted" the WTC and Oklahoma Murrah building investigation scenes, for souveniers, and that Agent Marx, in charge of the Fresh Kill landfill WTC evidence, failed a polygraph and lied to investigators.
The FBI had no written policy, in Oklahoma in 1995 or after 9/11 that prohibited it's agents from looting evidence from those "terror" attacks.
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http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...686025,00.html
Posted Sunday, Aug. 22, 2004
......The travel monograph reveals numerous mistakes by State Department and INS officials that made it easier for the hijackers to repeatedly gain access to the U.S. It also includes a chilling appendix with graphic reproductions of available travel documents for the hijackers — including Jarrah’s partly burned U.S. visa, recovered from the Pennsylvania field where he perished in the crash of United Flight 93. .........
<img src="http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/911/images/jarrah.jpg">
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Al-Suqami's passport was recovered near the WTC the morning of 9/11, according to the 9/11 Commission Report (footnote 109, p.40): "The passport was recovered by NYPD Detective Yuk H. Chin from a male passerby in a business suit, about 30 years old. The passerby left before being identified, while debris was falling from WTC-2. The tower collapsed shortly thereafter. The detective then gave the passport to the FBI on 9/11. See FBI report, interview of Detective Chin, Sept. 12, 2001."
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http://www.9-11commission.gov/archiv...2004-01-26.htm
NATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON THE UNITED STATES
Public Hearing
Monday, January 26, 2004
Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC
....MS. SUSAN GINSBURG: Beginning with passports. Four of the hijackers passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania. These are the passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed. A fourth passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston on to the connecting flight which was American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Abdul Aziz al Omari.
In addition to these four, some digital copies of the hijackers passports were recovered in post-9/11 operations. Two of the passports that have survived, those of Satam al Suqami and Abdul Aziz al Omari, were clearly doctored. To avoid getting into classified detail, we will just state that these were manipulated in a fraudulent manner in ways that have been associated with al Qaeda.....
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http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/0403a/index.htm
An Investigation Regarding Removal of a Tiffany Globe from the Fresh Kills Recovery Site
December 2003
Office of the Inspector General
.....<b>In addition, we found that the FBI had no written policy on what could be taken from recovery sites.</b> One person from another ERT at Fresh Kills, identified by two members of the Minneapolis ERT as the individual who said they could take souvenirs, told us that there was an "informal policy" that permitted ERT members to take small pieces of the granite building facade as mementos. He said he thought that ERT members also could take what he called "tourist trash," which he described as small items such as refrigerator magnets with the WTC logo.....
........In the course of our investigation <b>we interviewed Richard Marx, an FBI Special Agent from Philadelphia who was identified as the FBI site manager for the Fresh Kills recovery site. We asked him what he had advised FBI employees about removing items from the recovery site as mementos. Marx provided inconsistent answers to us that, in our view, showed a lack of candor.</b> In addition, Marx's vague and inconsistent answers prolonged our investigation considerably.
Marx initially had told FBI OPR in its investigation that he had advised people that he did not want them taking things from Fresh Kills. However, in his first interview with the OIG, he was non-committal as to what he had told ERT members about taking items from the site, but he told us he was not aware of anyone from the FBI taking items.
In our second interview of Marx, he said that his previous statements were not accurate as to what he had told ERT members about taking items. He said it was more accurate to state that he told ERT members that any items not being retained for evidence or for identifying victims were trash. He stated that he did not tell ERT members they could take these items, but he did not tell them they could not. He added that he was not concerned with "souvenir taking." However, he refused to sign his sworn statement memorializing his OIG interview, and stated that he was going to retain an attorney.....
......<b>Marx's polygraph also indicated deception in his answers, and he had no response to the result. We believe that his lack of candor constituted misconduct that warrants discipline.</b>
Finally, many FBI employees took rubble as souvenirs from Fresh Kills, and a wide disparity of opinion existed as to whether it was appropriate to do so. <b>We also learned that FBI personnel have taken mementos from other response sites, such as the bombing of the Alfred J. Murrah Federal building and the Unabomber's cabin.</b> The removal of items by FBI personnel from an incident site can cause ramifications. For instance, we learned that <b>as a result of [REDACTED] removal of the globe the Minneapolis U.S. Attorney's Office declined to prosecute a civilian fro taking a fire truck door from Fresh Kills site.</b> The prosecuting attorney told us that she did not believe she could prosecute a civilian fro taking a memento from the site, when an FBI agent had done a similar thing.
<b>We found no written FBI policy governing what could be taken from recovery sites or mass crime scenes, like the World Trade Center or Fresh Kills.</b> We recommend that the FBI develop formal written guidance that addresses the taking of mementos from recovery sites by FBI employees. As part of this policy, the FBI should also create a written. procedure for the removal of items from recovery sites for display in FBI Offices for instruction in FBI training, or for use as memorials.
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No black boxes were recovered from the WTC, but a passport was.....no wreckage of flight 93 can be observed at the Shanksville "crash" site....but two passports (or visas) linked to two of the nineteen hijackers were said to be recovered there. |