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Old 05-06-2006, 11:02 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Dilbert1234567
The following quote is taken from http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulle...426&highlight=
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......(The following photos are big, so I will not directly link them to save the host some bandwidth)

Here is a wonderful picture of a Cfm56-5b, what you claim it is.

http://www.enginehistory.org/G&jJBro...2/Cfm56-5b.jpg

Please notice the small size of the pipes above the sign, and then look at

http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/pho...ginal/5474.jpg

And notice that the in the same location, the pipes are more than twice the diameter, and going the wrong direction. And we see a pipe encircling the engine in the crash photo, which is not in a Cfm56, but low and behold is in a CF6 engine.

http://www.enginehistory.org/G&jJBro...2/Cf6-80c2.jpg

Go back and look at the photo's.
Here's a closeup of what appeared to me to be a CFM56-3 engine, recovered from Murray St. and displayed on the FEMA site as photographed on Oct. 16, 2001, that you offer as a CF6......

<img src="http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/CF6.jpeg">
If you are right, the question is, what aircraft did it come from? FEMA reported that it came from Flight 175. The CF6 is made by the same manufacturer as the CFM56-3. The similarities, as you posted, are there, but the subtle differences, to me, a layman, may have escaped me. I am looking for inconsistancies in the official account of what happened on 9/11. I still am looking at the same one.....where did the engine that the government claimed was torn off of Flight 175 on impact, actually come from? There is no official report that it came from anywhere but flight 175, and no report that flight 175 was powered by a "CF" or a "CFM" set of engines.

My other posts refer to Flight 175 being powered by twin Pratt & Whitney JT9D-7 engines. I never posted anything about a CFM56-5b. I did post about the CFM56-3 model that powers 737-300 models and newer.

My research sez that <a href="http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20010911-1">flight 175 was powered</a> by Pratt & Whitney JT9D-7R4D engines, not CF6 or CFM56-3 engines. Popular Mechanics and Fema reported that the only engine found was from flight 175 that flew into WTC 2.......
(see below)

(Flight 11, however was reported to be <a href="http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20010911-0&lang=en">powered by CF6-80A2 engines</a>, but no official claim has been made that a jet engine from that 767 was recovered.)
Quote:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=3&c=y

Flight 175's Windows
CLAIM:
FACT

...........While heading a Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) probe into the collapse of the towers, W. Gene Corley studied the airplane wreckage. A licensed structural engineer with Construction Technology Laboratories, a consulting firm based in Skokie, Ill., Corley and his team photographed aircraft debris on the roof of WTC 5, including a chunk of fuselage that clearly had passenger windows. "It's ... from the United Airlines plane that hit Tower 2," Corley states flatly. <b>In reviewing crash footage taken by an ABC news crew, Corley was able to track the trajectory of the fragments he studied--including a section of the landing gear and part of an engine--as they tore through the South Tower, exited from the building's north side and fell from the sky.</b>
Quote:
PDF= http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch2.pdf (page 27)
or http://www.serendipity.li/wot/wtc_ch2.htm

2.2.2 WTC 2

2.2.2.1 Initial Damage From Aircraft Impact

United Airlines Flight 175 struck the south face of WTC 2 approximately between the 78th and 84th floors.......


.....Figure 2-26 Impact damage to the south and east faces of WTC 2.

were fractured by the impact. Photographic evidence suggests that from 27 to 32 columns along the south building face were destroyed over a five-story range. Partial collapse of floors in this zone appears to have occurred over a horizontal length of approximately 70 feet, while floors in other portions of the building appeared to remain intact. It is probable that the columns in the southeast corner of the core also experienced some damage because they would have been in the direct travel path of the fuselage and port engine (Figure 2-25).


It is known that debris from the aircraft traveled completely through the structure. For example, a landing gear from the aircraft that impacted WTC 2 was found to have crashed through the roof of a building located six blocks to the north, and <b>one of the jet engines was found at the corner of Murray and Church Streets.</b> The extent to which debris scattered throughout the impact floors is also evidenced by photographs of the fireballs that occurred as the aircraft struck the building (Figure 2-28). Figure 2-29 shows a portion of the fuselage of the aircraft, lying on the roof of WTC 5.

and for uber and will:
Quote:
http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?e...23X00104&key=1

NTSB Identification: DCA01MA063.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Records Management Division
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier operation of United Airlines
Accident occurred Tuesday, September 11, 2001 in New York City, NY
Probable Cause Approval Date: 3/7/2006
Aircraft: Boeing 767-200ER, registration: N612UA
Injuries: 65 Fatal.

The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI. The Safety Board does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket.

The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
The Safety Board did not determine the probable cause and does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket. The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI.
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