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Originally Posted by pan6467
So what are you saying, the 1000's of LEGAL immigrants, that come into our country LEGALLY and have worked hard to do so are idiots because it would have been easier for them to just come in ILLEGALLY.
I have no qualms about LEGAL immigration, and yes, I can show you the Ellis Island papers from my great grandmother. All my ancestors came LEGALLY, and when they got here most were persecuted.... Irish/German/Italian/Dutch/Welsh is my background. hmmmmm None in that group were discriminated against in anyway, were they now?
So exactly what high horse am I on? That my ancestors came here legally, learned english, didn't cry injustice because the government and the communities refused to turn everything into "their" language, that my ancestors became proud citizens of the US assimilated and worked hard to make sure their progeny were "American"?
Laws changed and made it harder to become LEGAL..... so what?
YOU want me to believe it's ok to still break the law because it isn't fair to dirtbags who cross over ILLEGALLY and have no desire to assimilate into our country or to even attempt to become LEGAL citizens?????
Jess, ya know I agree with ya more than I disagree and I am fairly liberal. But my liberal views end right about here.
ILLEGAL = ILLEGAL PERIOD, END OF STORY.
Again, if it is so fucking horrid in Mexico maybe these people should be revolting against their own government and working harder to improve their country.
Instead, they choose they easy way and ILLEGALLY come into our country sponging off our system, using our tax dollars and expecting us to wipe their asses as they shit on our country.
Maybe our wages would go up and those out of work could find jobs (oooo yeah they take jobs no one else wants except maybe college kids or people who would truly like to work and get a start, or teens saving for college, or people who need to make some extra money in this economy that is booming because we hire illegals to do work "no one else will" as they destroy our tax based services.)
Not naive, I have seen this first hand and it is wrong.
Maybe if we didn't hire ILLEGALS and prices went up, more people would have to raise issue about the wage gaps between the workers and the CEO's. Maybe just maybe the economy would truly start healing if we turned ILLEGALS away.
And the people that hire ILLEGALS should be fined heavily and put into jail for conspiracy to defraud the government from it's taxes (wages and such) and perhaps if we made the punishments stiff enough they won't be hiring these ILLEGALS.
And the bleeding hearts that like lambs follow blindly saying "ILLEGALS deserve a chance", should talk with the families of people killed by illegals who watched the illegals get "punished" by being deported and coming back illegally.
No matter how you slice it, it's wrong.
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Having this take in chat yesterday was like being the target for carnival games.
Giving amnesty to people who came here illegally, put their kids in already stressed out school systems, using up resources they don't pay into at all, including ESL, medical services, etc is asinine. Because of these 8 million or so using up resources without payback, citizens are denied their tax-paid rights to the same services.
Anyone recall the young girl in NC who got a heart/lung transplant then later died? She was an illegal, her hospital costs were free. Meanwhile, someone, a citizen, was waiting for that same heart, maybe worked hard or their parents worked hard for years and suffered through the same things....and were set back because the urgency of someone not even supposed to be here to precedence. If I sound cold, sorry, but the cold facts are for every illegal that freely uses our country's resources, a rightful, LEGAL citizen gets pushed back. Now, multiply that by 8 million.
Crime: No checks and balances means anyone can come in, correct? How did the hijackers of 9/11 get in? Even what we have now has cracks in it. Examples, albeit not the major concern, but a real one: 11 rapes in New Brunswick, NJ. 3 rapes and robberies of elderly women in North Brunswick, NJ. Kidnapping of woman in Bridgwater, NJ(later found alive). Murder of two children in central NJ. One thing they all had in common-the perpetrators were all illegal aliens. And these were just the headline-grabbing stories in the past six months. Open borders mean open. To anyone.
I was told that it was 'cold hearted' that people are starving and that's why they're crossing over illegally. I'll send food.
Granting amnesty to illegals is a slap in the face to every immigrant that went throught PROPER channels to get here, pay their share of taxes and struggle like everyone else, save one glaring exception-they're contributing.
I agree with Pan on every issue he raised, especially going after those employers who hire illegals in the first place. Tax them, fine them the differences they paid to illegals to comparable legal workers. They create a lot of this problem, take total advantage of these people and create dangerous environments with no incentive to improve.
Chinese who come here illegally many times (at least in NY, anyway) live where they work, work 12-13 hour days 7 days a week for substandard wages and have to pay back their 'mules' thousands of dollars-in essence they work in servitude for years. Construction firms hire unskilled workers from Central America to bypass union wages; they also end up shortchanging the public with substandard building practices many times and creating dangerous situations for the workers. How is any of this better for anyone?
I also agree with the point of instead of coming here, work to improve conditions in the homeland. Protesting here?? Why is the US the only country to pull out its wallet? March in Mexico City, Juarez...Long-term, would it not be better to improve conditions where you live instead of going elsewhere and leaving those conditions to fester?
In response to the 'child born here so deportation is null' is false. Six months after 9/11, a Pakistani man in Texas was shot and killed in his store simply for who he was. His family lived here still and less than a year after his death, were threatened with deportation, even though the youngest child was born here. Technically, the illegals of the family can be deported; the children do not have to go. In this case, they got emergency amnesty and were all allowed to stay. A neighbor of mine was from England, her husband from Lebanon, their 3 children born here. When she went to renew her and her husband's visas, she was told there was a 6 month wait-come back. She was in a panic because during that 6 month time, they'd be 'illegal' and if the US really wanted to be a bitch, could deport them. People who are illegal and commit crimes can be deported regardless of where their kids are born-it'd be up to them what to do about those kids.
It's just that the US looks more sympathetically at some cases where the parents are illegal and the children were born here, but it does not guarantee they'll be allowed to stay.