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host · 05-01-2006, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei

It's funny people bring Bush into it, somehow this problem, a 25 year old problem, is his fault. And for that matter, there is plenty of evidence to support the claim that Iran is seeking to get nuclear weapons, it just happens you choose not to except it......

......In 1982 it was disclosed that Iran had imported 531 meteric tons of yellowcake, that's more then Brazils nuclear reactors produce in a year; ofcourse they didn't disclose that they had been importing materials or enriching until 2003, again the program was at that point 22 years old. Here are a few examples I pulled from a book I got "Countdown to Crisis" by Kenneth Timmerman, a nobel peace prize nominee......

.....It's all good if you don't care about this whole situation, but it's absurd to sit there and make baseless claims that are contrary to reality.

Mojo...please examine all of the following and then post some advice on how I can overlook or dismiss it all, and share your concerns about an "imminent" nuclear threat, from Iran.

I think what sets Bush apart, is that he appointed the entire membership of JINSA and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy">CSP</a> to "work" in his administration, and then trotted out their doctrine of "pre-emptive war", as his "policy". Historically, the large power exploits the small state to fight proxy wars for it, but Israel seems to be the big winner here. You don't suppose that Mossad could have had anything to do with the collosal influence Israel enjoys over our government in the post 9/11 world, now....do you?

Examine the link between Timmerman, John Bolton, Cheney, a bunch of active and retired U.S. military officers, and the man who "nominated" Kenneth T. and John Bolton for the Nobel prize, Per Ahlmark. Look at the conflict between Haliburton's business/profit goals in Iran, the "5 step", Bush regime "makeover" (#4 is image rehab via pushing around Iran....), and tell me that it would be "un-American" to wait until next year for an Iran "showdown"...to avoid any question that Iran is about a pre-election "image improvement Op" for Bush and the RNC....

Don't your sources of information ever seem like a "closed loop", with a curioulsy large, Israeli (JINSA) influence attached to the loop, the U.S. officials, and those who generate the "reading material"? (Such as....author Timmerman?)

Cache of Kenneth Timmerman's Maryland Senate Campaign website in 2000.
Have a look. Describing Timmerman as rabidly partisan, is a tepid phrase:
Here's a sample:

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http://web.archive.org/web/200011100...erman2000.com/

Nov. 6, 2000: What's Al Gore got to do with the price of oil? Read Ken's article from today's WorldNetDaily.com to see why Gore's efforts to keep Russia from defaulting on its debts triggered today's skyrocketing oil prices.

Gore probably "conspired", six years ago, to keep gasoline above $1.00 per gallon! Timmerman received ten percent of the vote in that senate race primary...and the republican who beat him lost in Nov,2000 to Paul Sarbanes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_Ahlmark

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JINSA

<a href="http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=103028&highlight=israeli">Academic Report on U.S. "Israel Lobby" & Is Israel a U.S. Ally?</a>

<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/green02282004.html">February 28 / 29, 2004
A CounterPunch Special Report Serving Two Flags</a>

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http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articl...2167,2170,3307
Let the Nobel Go Nuclear

The Hon. Per Ahlmark
The Wall Street Journal
February 7, 2006
Page A26

Let us focus on the good guys. The fools of the Iranian nuclear tragedy we already know. The International Atomic Energy Agency was duped for 18 years.

Kenneth Timmerman has for 20 years exposed Iran’s nuclear intentions. In books, reports speeches, articles and private meetings he has told us of specific detail as well as the big picture - a full-fledged, official plan to game the system of international safeguards. His latest book, Countdown to Crisis: The coming Nuclear Showdown with Iran, lays this out in chilling detail; and it was his report for the Wiesenthal Center in 1992 that first detailed Iran’s ties to Pakistani nuclear scientist A. Q. Khan.

John Bolton, former undersecretary of state, has with unusual energy tried to find ways to counter this threat. Friends and foes agree - he never gives up......

Editor's Note:

Kenneth R. Timmerman, a member of JINSA’s Board of Advisors, has been tracking Iranian government terrorism and Iranian weapons of mass destruction (WMD) programs for the past twenty years. His latest book, Countdown to Crisis: the Coming Nuclear Showdown with Iran will be released in paperback on March 1, 2006.

His July 1998 profile of Osama bin Laden in Reader’s Digest appeared just three weeks before Bin Laden blew up two U.S. Embassies in Africa and became a household name.

In 1993, Timmerman authored a key Congressional report on Iranian WMD procurement. Since leaving the Hill, he has testified before Congress on many occasions on missile and nuclear developments in Iran, and been sought out for his expertise by a wide variety of U.S. government agencies, including the U.S. Army War College, the Department of Energy, and the Defense Intelligence Agency. In 1998, he testified on Iranian missile developments to the Commission To Assess the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States (the Rumsfeld Commission).

He is the author of two New York Times best-sellers: The French Betrayal of America (2004) and Shakedown: Exposing the Real Jesse Jackson (2002). Other books include Preachers of Hate: Islam and the War on America (2003), and The Death Lobby: How the West Armed Iraq (1991). He is a contributing editor to Newsmax and writes a weekly column for FrontPage magazine.

John R. Bolton, a former member of JINSA’s Board of Advisors, was appointed by President George W. Bush as United States Permanent Representative to the United Nations on August 1, 2005. Prior to his appointment, Ambassador Bolton served as Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security from May 2001 to May 2005.

Prior to this, Ambassador Bolton was Senior Vice President of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). AEI is a nonprofit public policy center dedicated to preserving and strengthening the foundations of freedom through research education, and open debate. Ambassador Bolton has spent many years of his career in public service. Previous positions he has held are Assistant Secretary for International Organization Affairs at the Department of State, 1989-1993; Assistant Attorney General, Department of Justice, 1985-1989; Assistant Administrator for Program and Policy Coordination, U.S. Agency for International Development, 1982-1983; General Counsel, U.S. Agency for International Development, 1981-1982.

The Honorable Per Ahlmark served as Deputy Prime Minister of Sweden from 1976-1978. Between 1975 and 1978, he was the elected leader of the Swedish Liberal Party. After retiring from politics, he founded the Swedish Committee Against Antisemitism. The Honorable Mr. Ahlmark is currently a JINSA Fellow.

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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...6555-3,00.html
Can The New Sheriff Tame The West Wing?
Josh Bolten started by shaking up the staff.
Next comes a five-point White House "recovery plan"
By MIKE ALLEN
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Posted Sunday, Apr. 23, 2006 (Pages 3 & 4)

.....Bolten, 51, hopes to have most of his staff changes in place within a couple of weeks, and his aides are planning a "rollout" of public appearances for him then to discuss the new structure, on the theory that news coverage of change will benefit the President.

But the musical chairs is just the first of a two-act makeover. Friends and colleagues of Bolten told TIME about an informal, five-point "recovery plan" for Bush that is aimed at pushing him up slightly in opinion polls and reassuring Republican activists, whose disaffection could cost him dearly in November. The White House has no visions of expanding the G.O.P.'s position in the midterms; the mission is just to hold on to control of Congress by playing to the base. Here is the Bolten plan:......

.....4 RECLAIM SECURITY CREDIBILITY. This is the riskiest, and potentially most consequential, element of the plan, keyed to the vow by Iran to continue its nuclear program despite the opposition of several major world powers. Presidential advisers believe that by putting pressure on Iran, Bush may be able to rehabilitate himself on national security, a core strength that has been compromised by a discouraging outlook in Iraq. "In the face of the Iranian menace, the Democrats will lose," said a Republican frequently consulted by the White House. However, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll this April 8-11, found that 54% of respondents did not trust Bush to "make the right decision about whether we should go to war with Iran.".....

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6982444/site/newsweek/
Business As Usual?
Halliburton’s CEO says his company is pulling out of Iran. But a corporate subsidiary is still going ahead with a deal to develop Tehran’s natural gas fields

By Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball
Newsweek
Updated: 6:10 p.m. ET Feb. 16, 2005

Feb. 16 - Only weeks before Halliburton made headlines by announcing it was pulling out of Iran—a nation George W. Bush has labeled part of the “axis of evil”—the Texas-based oil services firm quietly signed a major new business deal to help develop Tehran’s natural gas fields.

Halliburton’s new Iran contract, moreover, appears to suggest a far closer connection with the country’s hard-line government than the firm has ever acknowledged.

The deal, diplomatic sources tell NEWSWEEK, was signed with an Iranian oil company whose principals include Sirus Naseri, Tehran’s chief international negotiator on matters relating to the country’s hotly-disputed nuclear enrichment program—a project the Bush administration has charged is intended to develop nuclear weapons.

There are few matters more sensitive for Halliburton than its dealings with Iran. The company, formerly headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, last year disclosed that it had received a subpoena from a federal grand jury in Texas in connection with a Justice Department investigation into allegations that the firm violated U.S. sanctions law prohibiting American companies from directly doing business in Iran. (U.S. firms are barred from doing direct business in Iran, but under a confusing quilt of federal regulations, their foreign subsidiaries may do so as long as they operate “independently” from U.S. management.).......

...........Documents disclosed by the company indicate that the Justice Department probe into Halliburton’s Iran dealings, like a separate Justice investigation into alleged foreign bribes paid by a Halliburton-connected consortium to officials in Nigeria, cover the period that Cheney was Halliburton CEO.

There have been no allegations that Cheney was directly involved in any of the conduct that is under scrutiny by Justice, although as Halliburton CEO, Cheney repeatedly and forcefully criticized the U.S. sanctions laws restricting business in Iran, arguing that they caused U.S. firms like Halliburton to lose business to international competitors. (As it has in the past, Cheney’s office today declined to say whether the vice president has been questioned by investigators on either the Iran or Nigerian matters.) .............

...........Still, the figures cited by Hall for the size of the new project—even though spread out over about three years—are substantial in relation to Halliburton’s overall business dealings in Iran. Company documents obtained by NEWSWEEK show that Halliburton’s revenue from Iran—principally through the Dubai-based Halliburton Products and Services, but also including five other foreign subsidiaries—grew from $31 million a year in 2001 (when Bush first called Iran an “axis of evil” nation for its support of terrorism) to $42.5 million in 2003.

In addition, the role of Naseri—Iran’s nuclear negotiator—as a principal in Oriental Kish and the South Pars project has raised questions about the project. Naseri, according to a Western diplomatic source, was a former senior Iranian diplomat who, until two years ago, served as Tehran’s ambassador to a permanent United Nations disarmament conference in Geneva. A couple of years ago, the diplomat said, Naseri left the Iranian government to get involved in the oil business and is widely known to be involved with Halliburton Product & Services in oil-field activities.....