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Originally Posted by shakran
Yeah, that would be the first part of the 2nd amendment. Well, that and the fact that the framers weren't sociopaths.
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those very framers and founders said that we all were the militia and they all said that every freeman has the right to arms. thats pretty clear to me that it's an individual right, not only for militia causes.
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Originally Posted by shakran
Look, you have the right to own a fishing pole too, even though the constitution does not specifically give that right. The constitution and the BOR are simply stating some rights that the founding fathers wanted to make absolutely sure would not be taken away by the states or by a later federal government.
So even if I say that some amendment doesn't give you the right to a fishing pole, that doesn't mean I think you should be forced to turn all your fishing poles in. Just because the 2nd does not specifically give the unfettered right for everyone to have a gun, does not mean that you do not have that right, or that I think you should lose that right.
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OK, now this I agree with you on.
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Originally Posted by shakran
and BTW I believe that yes, the militia does refer to the national guard, but that we've corrupted and changed what the national guard is and should be for.
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then please explain to us how militia means 'national guard' when the national guard wasn't created until the very early 1900s.
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Originally Posted by shakran
But you cannot get around the basic definition of "well regulated" no matter what you claim they meant by it. Regulated is not a word who's definition has changed in 200 years. People with no regulation whatsoever cannot be said to be regulated. It's just that simple.
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well regulated means well organized, well disciplined, but it doesn't mean national guard or standing army of any type. you also are still misinterpreting the second. there are two parts to the amendment and they differentiate the need for a well regulated militia does not take away the right of the people to bear arms. at least thats my interpretation of it anyway.