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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll
A) Nature is what forced the woman to be an incubator. She's simply not allowed - shouldn't be allowed - to escape incubation by means of killing a human being. That isn't a sufficient justification. It's not a good thing that the mother would be forced to incubate. But it's the lesser of the two evils.
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and she's not killing a human being. she's removing cells that would grow into one. yes, that removal kills them. no, i don't care that it does. it is not a developed member of our species. once it can live outside the womb, i'm not big on abortion, but until then, there is absolutely no justification for forcing a woman to go through 9 months of hell.
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B) A non-viable group of undeveloped cells - a human being - should have no precedence over the mother. But its right to life should have precedence over the right to an unoccupied womb. You don't have that latter right without the right to life.
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what? first of all, there's no such thing as a right to life. the only 'right' to life is a social construct. second of all, an embryo/fetus has no right to an unoccupied womb. that womb is part of the mother. and you just said that it has no precedence over the mother.
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When it's right to life against right to life, the mother wins out. When your life is threatened, even unintentionally, you have every right to take every necessary measure in response to save your life.
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and how threatened does that have to be? if i were pregnant right now, i'd abort it. why? because even though my health might not be at risk, my life would be. the life i want for myself would be threatened. is that enough of a risk for you?
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No matter how many times I get into an abortion debate, that tired strawmen always seem to show up: "why is the z/e/f more important?" No one's arguing that. Give it up.
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give it up? give what up? there's no strawman there. your argument is that the rights of the z/e/f is more important than the womans rights. otherwise there would be no debate. generally, people who try to end debates by refusing to answer honest questions do so because they know their position doesn't hold any water. kinda like a non-pregnant woman. <zing!>