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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
and surely you have some backup proof for this ridiculous claim? show me through any type of historical document that this is what the intent of the framers was.
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Yeah, that would be the first part of the 2nd amendment. Well, that and the fact that the framers weren't sociopaths.
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alright, i'll give you this point that I may be completely misunderstanding what it is you're trying to say regarding this. So far, what i've been reading from you is that the second amendment is not a definition of the peoples individual right to keep and bear arms, that it only belongs to a well regulated militia. The paragraph above now seems to indicate that you might actually believe that the individual right pre-exists? correct me if i'm reading you wrong on this.
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Look, you have the right to own a fishing pole too, even though the constitution does not specifically give that right. The constitution and the BOR are simply stating some rights that the founding fathers wanted to make absolutely sure would not be taken away by the states or by a later federal government.
So even if I say that some amendment doesn't give you the right to a fishing pole, that doesn't mean I think you should be forced to turn all your fishing poles in. Just because the 2nd does not specifically give the unfettered right for everyone to have a gun, does not mean that you do not have that right, or that I think you should lose that right.
and BTW I believe that yes, the militia does refer to the national guard, but that we've corrupted and changed what the national guard is and should be for. They shouldn't be in Iraq -the national guard is to defend us from invasion and to defend states from invasion/a tyrannical federal government. In modern times we have forgotten what militias are meant for. But you cannot get around the basic definition of "well regulated" no matter what you claim they meant by it. Regulated is not a word who's definition has changed in 200 years. People with no regulation whatsoever cannot be said to be regulated. It's just that simple.