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Originally Posted by kentucky_lady
women may very well have the right to make choices for THEIR body...but its not their body thats being sucked out or torn to pieces.
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that's funny, i don't remember the embriyo/fetus contributing material (genetic or protein, or the energy to make use of those).
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Originally Posted by FoolThemAll
Correct me if I get this wrong, but you're implicitly saying that it's okay to murder a fetus if it serves a good purpose and yet not okay to murder an infant if it serves a good purpose.
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it's okay to have an abortion because a) it's wrong to force a woman to carry a child she doesn't want for 9-months, b) it is not a viable being yet, because it is an undeveloped group of cells. it's not okay to kill an infant (although according to a law signed by then gov. bush, there is a texas law that allows the hospital decide when to stop giving care to a child, parents wish's be damned) because a) it is a baby that the mother wished to carry to term and was born. because it is a living, breathing baby. because it is no longer analagous to a parasite on the womans body.
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Originally Posted by highthief
For us, my wife and I were both strongly pro-choice - until she got preggers (deliberately) and we learned more about the development of babies in the womb. Now, we take the opposite approach, and would prefer to see stricter controls placed on abortion (though not outlaw it completely, just limit it to first trimester and stop giving irresponsible people unlimited access to it as a means of birth control over and over again).
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what exactly did you learn about the development of babies changed your mind?
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Originally Posted by highthief
How about people who get pregnant deliver a full term baby and give it up for adoption if they don't want children? Then get sterilized, maybe? Nobody gets killed using this method.
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1) do you realize how many different medical complications (life threatening and non) can come with preganancy? and that's not too mention the hormonal swings, physical discomforts, wierd food cravings, relationship complications, post-partum depression, etc, that a woman will go through (or may, depending on which thing). to force that on a woman who doesn't want it... you may as well lock her in a cell and torture her for 9 months. personally, i prefer my women to be incubators by choice, not force.
2) most people adopting want new borns. what happens when there are more new borns then people want to adopt? and then think about the older kids that people aren't taking. what about them? is brining kids up in the foster system really fair to the kids? and why should my taxes pay for your mistake for 18 years?
3) if you had them get sterilized after it, that's the same as murder. if they want to have kids one day, but are not ready yet (and that's why they'd have prefered an abortion to forced preganancy + adoption), then by sterilizing them you're pre-emptively killing any future children she planned on having.