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Old 04-27-2006, 11:42 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Back when reporting by Amnesty International was not regarded as "absurd" by Mr. Bush....it was "leaned on" heavily. Take the time, Ustwo, it's good reading...here's an example.....
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/ir...ade/sect4.html

<b>Saddam Hussein's Repression of the Iraqi People</b>

<b>Violence Against Women</b>

<b>Amnesty International reported that</b>, in October 2000, the Iraqi Government executed dozens of women accused of prostitution.

Iraqi security agents reportedly decapitated numerous women and men in front of their family members. <b>According to Amnesty International</b>, the victims' heads were displayed in front of their homes for several days.

<b>Torture</b>

In August 2001 <b>Amnesty International released a report</b> entitled Iraq -- Systematic Torture of Political Prisoners, which detailed the systematic and routine use of torture against suspected political opponents and, occasionally, other prisoners. <b>Amnesty International also reports</b> "Detainees have also been threatened with bringing in a female relative, especially the wife or the mother, and raping her in front of the detainee. Some of these threats have been carried out."

<b>Disappearances</b>

* <b>Amnesty International reported</b> that Iraq has the world's worst record for numbers of persons who have disappeared or remain unaccounted for.
Ustwo, if you succumb to the incoherent arguments of these folks, their feeble excuses seem to make sense.....but they don't, not really. They have, in a very short time, destroyed the reputation of the U.S. as a "champion of freedom", not that it was richly or widely deserved...but deserved, nonetheless...to some degree...and now it's gone!

Does the following....from the OP CNN transcript, make any sense as a defense?
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...30/lkl.01.html
KING: They specifically said, though, it was Guantanamo. They compared it to a gulag.

D. CHENEY: Not true. Guantanamo's been operated, I think, in a very sane and sound fashion by the U.S. military. Remember who's down there. These are people that were picked up off the battlefield in Afghanistan and other places in the global war on terror. These are individuals who have been actively involved as the enemy, if you will, trying to kill Americans. That we need to have a place where we can keep them. In a sense, when you're at war, you keep prisoners of war until the war is over with..........

......Occasionally there are allegations of mistreatment. But if you trace those back, in nearly every case, <b>it turns out to come from somebody who had been inside and been released by to their home country and now are peddling lies about how they were treated.....</b>
Cheney must know that his argument that those released from Guantanamo, are at the least, liars. After all, as he says....<b>Remember who's down there.....</b> My problem with his dismissal of those who've been released, as "liars", is similar to the problem I have with all of the attempts by our "leaders" to assault my sensibilities......if everyone detained at Guantanamo is a "terrorist, trying to kill Americans", why the fuck are "liars" being released to go home and tell stories of abuse?

If people were taken into custody, transported to Guantanamo, held without court hearings, or access to a lawyer, without notification to the outside world of their detention, and then released...they seem to me to be victims of flagrant and intentional violations of the Geneva Conventions by the U.S. during a "time of war", Cheney's offensive and incoherent excuses, notwithstanding.

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