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Originally Posted by nezmot
There's nothing I refuse to understand - those people were going to be oppressed whatever the law - What rights they had was immaterial, the government, who gives you all these rights in the first place, saw fit to take them away when it suited them - and arms failed to help the people under attack. That's all I was saying.
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This is whats wrong with America today. This belief that you have your rights given to you from the government. Was this taught to you by the education system, your parents, or something else?
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Originally Posted by nezmot
You can argue your highly charged moralistic points about inalienable rights and freedoms - but as has been shown here, it makes no difference, when it actually gets down to it. If the government wants to oppress you, they will. And they do. Whether you wave a gun at them or not. As shown here.
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So we should lay down our arms and become willing subjects now?
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Originally Posted by nezmot
I'm not commenting on the rights or wrongs of this case, or to pin the blame on anyone - I was just pointing out that the argument that having an armed populace in order to counter government oppression, in practice anyway, is flawed.
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do we leave it broken then? or just let it continue as always?
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Originally Posted by nezmot
I admire your idealism, I just tend to view these things more practically I guess. Do you now understand my point?
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Thanks, but frankly, no I don't understand it. I'll never understand surrendering or submitting to the government, or anyone else for that matter.