I'll break some of these topics into individual posts later, after the work is done and the kid is in bed. But for now, I'd ask you to not put so many words in my mouth.
I didn't say
anyof these things, and the assumption you've made about me and your links is not correct. I know it's easier to debate with someone when they've been demonized, but how about you try to understand my point rather than just react negatively by putting words in my mouth?
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Originally Posted by pan6467
Soooooo you advocate the cheap labor and exploitation of ILLEGALS because it helps YOUR wallet. But I'm the one involved in prejudice and class warfare???????
Try 1000's and read the links I provided.
OOOO life isn't fair you say but then in the next breath you say OUR LAWS aren't fair to the ILLEGALS.
Check out the websites I linked to, obviously you chose not too.
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Just some quick thoughts on these statements of yours:
I do not advocate cheap labor and exploitation. If we were having this conversation in person, would you say such a thing to someone? That seems inflammatory and trolling (at best). I'm the same guy that said we should serve the poor in hospitals and I'm ok with my taxes going up, remember? Does that sound like I'm concerned about my wallet?
I read all your links, and my question still stands. There are about 50 instances (I didn't do a close count) on that list. How many is that per year? Again, there is no doubt we have abuses of laws, and violence from immigrants. And it's all deplorable. I'm against it. But we have people with blue blood backgrounds shooting their 'friends' in the face and not even seeing the inside of a police station. The world sucks in many ways.
I have never said our laws are unfair to illegals. Not even sure how you got that from what I wrote. Short of me actually saying those words, it seems a stretch to assume I meant that.
I'll write more later, but for now I'd end with this: I'm sorry you're in debt. That sucks, too. My take is pretty simple: if you'd been destitute and couldn't afford whatever it was you needed, I'm in favor of medical help being provided to you. I see no difference between a sick legal person, and a sick illegal person. We should treat them. The fact that
you get the debt for yours versus the 'state' getting the poor person's debt is a problem of our health care system. Not our immigration system. It sucks, but I don't believe the solution is not helping sick people. There are shades of grey, obviously, but charity hospitals have worked out some pretty humane ways of making tough choices.
More later...