Roach.... we agree far more than we disagree on issues, yet you are willing to destroy any political bonding, alliance and friendship by attacking me?
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Originally Posted by Roachboy
since you exclude critical factors from consideration, your views end up tracking into very strange ground, pan---i have other stuff to do so will defer going into this--but if you look at the front national or bnp, you'll get a fair idea of what i think of this politics you are working out for yourself.
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SO I obviously cannot come up with my OWN opinions. I must be following someone else's lead?
That is laughable, I NEVER follow anyone else's opinion. I make my own and then I agree or disagree and if it is important enough to me, I read info, I study and if need be I'll change my opinion, but I educate myself very well before I "just" take a stand.
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Originally Posted by Roachboy
the abbreviated version: i do not find the way in which you, and your temporary (far-right) colleagues above frame the question of migrant workers, documented or otherwise, to even be coherent. so you should not be surprised that there is no real interest in engaging you across your frame of reference. you act as though you have thought out and resolved questions before you begin to write stuff that so far as i can tell you havent even posed logically. then you get snippy that folk do not respond directly to your "points"--which are wholly knit into a framework that is in itself not coherent, so far as i am concerned.
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I see, so when I attack these supposed new friends of mine "the far right" whom, most of the time I have attacked their beliefs just as heavily, you back me and support me, but if I think for myself and have a differing view on an issue, then I am an idiot not worthy of debate?
Hmmmmm........
Is it any wonder the Dem party is done? If they can't win in Ohio or Federally this year and in '08 it's time they disband. And the attitude you imply, the elitism the snobbery, makes me abhor the political party I love.
This is supposed to be the party that accepts opposing views, can debate without relying on the "you're an idiot, so I'm ignoring you" games. I am saddened that 1 issue can show what a person truly thinks of another.
This is supposed to be a party where unlike the GOP we are allowed to have differing views on issues and still accept each other. Yet, by your post I see that is not truly the case.
But as Billy Joel sang in "SAY GOODBYE TO HOLLYWOOD" and it rings so true:
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Say a word out of line And you find that the friends you had Are gone - forever
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As far as the job pools, YES, the employers should be highly punished for hiring ILLEGALS, for the employers (like Yoder's who rehired the murderers) are just as guilty and should be tried for the crimes the ILLEGALS make. They should also be forced to pay the government and the hospital the bills these people run up while here.
You say I'm doing the class warfare thing?
Ummmmmm The owners and CEO's appreciate your views of believing that ILLEGALS should be here. It keeps their payrolls down so they have more profit.
But keep telling me, I'm the one involved in the prejudicial class warfare.