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Originally Posted by JustJess
1. Land mines? Really? Hm. I wonder how you'd feel about that if it'd been YOUR ancestors that everyone wanted to kick out. Do you think they were all here perfectly legally? Have you not noticed the increasing bureacracy and bullshit hoops people have to jump through to become citizens of our country?
2. Of course laws are supposed to get changed with protesting and walk outs. What else is the point of protesting if there are never any results? It's a basic tenet of American principles!
3. The laws need CHANGING. Do you have any idea what it's like? ANY IDEA? Between the government's pisspoor planning and inability to streamline any sort of processing, and the plethora of ridiculously bad legal advice, people are getting screwed left and right, no matter what.
4. If you made FOUR DOLLARS AN HOUR, you would qualify for free health care and no taxes too. Except all those sales tax items, of course.
5. Ask the businesses that hire illegals if they would rather hire legally. Ask 'em if they want to start paying at least the (ridiculously low) minimum wage. Ask if they want to pay taxes and unemployment insurance and FICA on legals rather than paying nothing to illegals.
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1. Landmines work. They've worked in Europe for years. And in Korea as well. I HAVE notice the increasing beauracracy... and it's ALL caused by requests to reform and grant more rights to more people who are not citizens of our country. I think it should be concise, simple and clear. There is a process, Process A, that one can go through to ATTEMPT to gain citizenship to the United States of America. If you come over under any pretense other than a successful attempt at Process A (or the requisite work/study visa) then you are in violation of federal law and will be imprisoned and tried as an assailant on our country. Sound harsh? Good! It should be harsh to commit such violations against a country and it's people.
2. Protests used to work... a long long time ago. The Times they are 'a changin' I think the old addage goes. There were protests regarding reform here in Phoenix twice... both times they were during the business day, disrupted traffic and businesses. What a grand way to get people to side with you. Personally, I said fuck 'em before all of that bullshit. Fuck 'em double now!
3. Yes, they need changing. See point 1 above.
4. Hmmm, well that's below minimum wage. You know how immigrants can make sure they make minimum wage or greater? Come here legally, get a social security number and get a legit job. They may very well still be eligible for Medicare/Medicaid and even food stamps, but at least they'd be contributing to the system! Taxes, SS input plus additional from employer matches for required funds? THAT'S how the system is designed to work.
5. First of all, those businesses probably wouldn't want to hire legal workers because they cost more. Their desires do not trump law. Let's look at large corporation... I bet Enron was happier before anyone knew they were doing illegal shit with their books. Oops!
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Originally Posted by JustJess
^^ My point is that everyone was new at some point. Everyone.
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Yes, everyone was new, if Mexico wants to WAGE WAR against the United States in an attempt to take over political control of our country, I welcome such a nifty diversion. Alas, that is not the case. There are a few individuals that are sneaking into the country and sponging off the system. Comparing that to the native americans and european settlers/combatants is not even remotely similar.