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Originally Posted by JustJess
1. Land mines? Really? Hm. I wonder how you'd feel about that if it'd been YOUR ancestors that everyone wanted to kick out. Do you think they were all here perfectly legally? Have you not noticed the increasing bureacracy and bullshit hoops people have to jump through to become citizens of our country?
2. Of course laws are supposed to get changed with protesting and walk outs. What else is the point of protesting if there are never any results? It's a basic tenet of American principles!
3. The laws need CHANGING. Do you have any idea what it's like? ANY IDEA? Between the government's pisspoor planning and inability to streamline any sort of processing, and the plethora of ridiculously bad legal advice, people are getting screwed left and right, no matter what.
4. If you made FOUR DOLLARS AN HOUR, you would qualify for free health care and no taxes too. Except all those sales tax items, of course.
5. Ask the businesses that hire illegals if they would rather hire legally. Ask 'em if they want to start paying at least the (ridiculously low) minimum wage. Ask if they want to pay taxes and unemployment insurance and FICA on legals rather than paying nothing to illegals.
Let me quote a recent article I wrote on this very subject:
Now imagine someone who just needs a job, has very little literacy, and has no help with this process attempting to become a legal resident of the United States. And before you start making cracks about foreigners not being able to read/write in English, let me remind you that 1: there is no Official Language in the US (and a good thing for many of our forebears); and 2: Many born Americans are unable to read/write enough to handle a process like this.
So, in essence, get off your highhorses. We live in a glass house here, and we shouldn't be so quick to throw stones.
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So what are you saying, the 1000's of LEGAL immigrants, that come into our country LEGALLY and have worked hard to do so are idiots because it would have been easier for them to just come in ILLEGALLY.
I have no qualms about LEGAL immigration, and yes, I can show you the Ellis Island papers from my great grandmother. All my ancestors came LEGALLY, and when they got here most were persecuted.... Irish/German/Italian/Dutch/Welsh is my background. hmmmmm None in that group were discriminated against in anyway, were they now?
So exactly what high horse am I on? That my ancestors came here legally, learned english, didn't cry injustice because the government and the communities refused to turn everything into "their" language, that my ancestors became proud citizens of the US assimilated and worked hard to make sure their progeny were "American"?
Laws changed and made it harder to become LEGAL..... so what?
YOU want me to believe it's ok to still break the law because it isn't fair to dirtbags who cross over ILLEGALLY and have no desire to assimilate into our country or to even attempt to become LEGAL citizens?????
Jess, ya know I agree with ya more than I disagree and I am fairly liberal. But my liberal views end right about here.
ILLEGAL = ILLEGAL PERIOD, END OF STORY.
Again, if it is so fucking horrid in Mexico maybe these people should be revolting against their own government and working harder to improve their country.
Instead, they choose they easy way and ILLEGALLY come into our country sponging off our system, using our tax dollars and expecting us to wipe their asses as they shit on our country.
Maybe our wages would go up and those out of work could find jobs (oooo yeah they take jobs no one else wants except maybe college kids or people who would truly like to work and get a start, or teens saving for college, or people who need to make some extra money in this economy that is booming because we hire illegals to do work "no one else will" as they destroy our tax based services.)
Not naive, I have seen this first hand and it is wrong.
Maybe if we didn't hire ILLEGALS and prices went up, more people would have to raise issue about the wage gaps between the workers and the CEO's. Maybe just maybe the economy would truly start healing if we turned ILLEGALS away.
And the people that hire ILLEGALS should be fined heavily and put into jail for conspiracy to defraud the government from it's taxes (wages and such) and perhaps if we made the punishments stiff enough they won't be hiring these ILLEGALS.
And the bleeding hearts that like lambs follow blindly saying "ILLEGALS deserve a chance", should talk with the families of people killed by illegals who watched the illegals get "punished" by being deported and coming back illegally.
No matter how you slice it, it's wrong.