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Originally Posted by willravel
I'll field this one.
I have worked with Mexicans for years, and thus I have as good an understanding as any gringo. Many Mexicans are too poor to make a living in Mexico, so they HAVE to come up into the South Western states in order to support their families. They take jobs that Americans cannot take and make wages that no one else can live on (well under minimum wage). Many are homeless, many starve just so that they can send money home, most are treated as a second class citizen (like a slave). The only difference between illegal immigrents are slaves is that slaves were at least given places to live, whether it was decent shelter or not. I've never seen a landscaping company or vinyard with shacks set up for the illegal Mexican immigrints working there.
They can leave if they want, but they doom themselves and their famimilies, as the Mexican econemy simply cannot support the whole populace.
One should also consider the great service they render for OUR econemy.
Edward James Olmos was in town a while back showing a movie called "Walkout". It was an exceptional movie, and he had a lot to say about it. I would reccomend it to anyone who is interested.
I know that the Mexican American community is strong enough to do this themselves. I *hope* that this is simply a protest motivated by civil rights, an d not some PR campaign.
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Some of the above begs further discussion. In your example, do you remember any LEGAL immigrants who were in such a situation? The entire reason the illegals are subject to such conditions is that they're afraid to go to the authorities. Grant them citizenship, and what you will get is millions more people who "won't do XXXX kind of work." And who will be very insistent upon receiving government largesse, which would more accurately be called taxpayer largesse.
I once hired a LEGAL immigrant who quit upon receiving her first paycheck, when she saw that I was withholding taxes from it. To her, taxes were to be paid by everyone else. Come to think of it, she sounded like a great many Americans.
Your anecdotal evidence also bothers me in that you say your "slaves" are trapped economically, but they can still send money home. In my observations, some of them only come to the US for the growing season, and spend the rest of the year in their home countries. It surprises me that you have not met any of those.
Lastly, I don't limit my discussion of illegals to Mexicans, as you do. The US is unlikely to be able to absorb every inhabitant of Mexico, China, Vietnam, or the subsaharan countries who thinks the opportunities are better here.
Which is why amnesty is such a horrible precedent.