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Nimetic: Yes, that post was in responce to yours, I guess I was just ranting rather than agreeing or disagreeing. The point is, people may point out that while you say there is nothing in there, there is. In a physical sence there is air, and in a more metaphorical sence, there is space. These do not factor into your idea of "something", a lack of which is nothing.
As for the universe needing a cause, I guess people assume a cause precedes any effect, where the universe is the effect. Of course that would require a before, something that may not exist, as Martian said. In addition to that, is what Nimetic said, that the universe may have always been.
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"Oh, irony! Oh, no, no, we don't get that here. See, uh, people ski topless here while smoking dope, so irony's not really a high priority. We haven't had any irony here since about, uh, '83 when I was the only practitioner of it, and I stopped because I was tired of being stared at."
Omnia mutantu, nos et mutamur in illis.
All things change, and we change with them.
- Neil Gaiman, Marvel 1602
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