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Originally Posted by willravel
Gun control and gun bans don't work to keeep guns out of the criminals hands? Listen I am really trying to find middle grouand and am making an effort to understand what you're saying, but you've gotta give me some sort of wiggle room here. You have to admit that gun control and gun bans have kept some criminals or bad people from getting guns. You have to admit that, I mean that's reality. Whether or not they are effective on the whole is up for debate, but they do stop SOME criminals from getting guns.
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Ok, I can agree with that. SOME criminals are stopped. IMHO, not enough are stopped to make the laws worthwhile and we should be examining other methods.
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Originally Posted by willravel
As stated above by Nezmot, "the Nazi party got into power after they went out on armed rampages and were strong enough to commit their acts of brutality because they had weaponry that matched the government police/troops who might have been able to stop them if there had been any kind of gun control in place at the time." Thdere has to be checks and balances of control between government and the general populace. Firearms for everyone is a great way to destroy our species.
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checks and balances between the populace and the government? Will, in the united states, the government gets their power FROM us. WE are the last check on government run amok. The only checks and balances that should exist are between the three branches of gov. Just like in pre WW2 germany, a large enough civilian populace took matters in to their own hands, dissassembled their government and created another one.....a really crappy murderous one, but it was within their power to do so....just like our ancestors did in the revolutionary war. just like we should in todays times.
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Originally Posted by willravel
What about the 256 million cases in which that didn't happen? I mean yes www.gunowners.com has some great articles, but I suspect that that same bias of sources you were talking about before is present here. |
so I can use hypotheticals, right? also, IMHO, all sites have some bias which is why I look at dozens before I decide to use information so I can glean the biased from the reality. gunowners.com was used this time simply because I knew they had the links for those videos, which were from CBS and a local channel.