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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
Actually, they do have the same effect. They do not work to keep guns out of the criminals hands. They only work to make it harder or impossible for law abiding citizens to have them.
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Gun control and gun bans don't work to keeep guns out of the criminals hands? Listen I am really trying to find middle grouand and am making an effort to understand what you're saying, but you've gotta give me some sort of wiggle room here. You have to admit that gun control and gun bans have kept some criminals or bad people from getting guns. You have to admit that, I mean that's reality. Whether or not they are effective on the whole is up for debate, but they do stop SOME criminals from getting guns.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
they are. I'm not saying that they aren't, but i've read enough stories and seen enough vindictive people that go get a restraining order in a divorce case for spite, despite the fact that there never was any abuse to begin with. It usually goes a long way in to settling custody issues after the fact.
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But like I said, we can't make laws that assume that the courts are wrong. We have to fix the problems in the courts and then make the laws accordingly. Gun control can't be a case by case thing.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
so you support oligarchy. If a court decides a case wrongly, then tough shit? it's legal and we must live with it?
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I don't support oligarchy, but we have to fix the problems with the judicial system ourselves (as responsible citizens), not simply make laws that ignore it.
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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
would they if the people were disarmed? thats the point, I think.
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As stated above by Nezmot, "the Nazi party got into power after they went out on armed rampages and were strong enough to commit their acts of brutality because they had weaponry that matched the government police/troops who might have been able to stop them if there had been any kind of gun control in place at the time." Thdere has to be checks and balances of control between government and the general populace. Firearms for everyone is a great way to destroy our species.
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and yet, we have THIS video of troops and police disarming civilians.
Or This video of CHP tackling an old woman and forcibly removing her from her home. |
What about the 256 million cases in which that didn't happen? I mean yes
www.gunowners.com has some great articles, but I suspect that that same bias of sources you were talking about before is present here.