View Single Post
Old 04-08-2006, 06:41 PM   #134 (permalink)
Willravel
... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.
 
Willravel's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dksuddeth
My apologies. I did misread your question. My answer is no. It would NOT be any easier for a criminal to carry in a carry state vs. a no carry state. criminals conceal their weapons, they do not wear them open.
As the burden of proof is on both sides in this discussion, I will need to see some statistic on how many criminals conceal weapons. Also, there are many places in the US where every citizen has the legal right to conceal their guns.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dksuddeth
The national firearms act of 1934. The gun control act of 1968. The registration restrictions in chicago. The ban on handguns in morton grove. The pending handgun ban in san francisco. The gun ban in D.C. The firearm owners protection act of 1986. The lautenburg amendment of 1996.
-National firearms act of 1934: the registration, and the taxing of the transfer, of a class of weapons described as NFA Title 2 weapons. This does not keep guns from the hands of law abiding citizens any more than the price of a gun.
-Gun control act of 1968: prohibited the direct mail order of firearms by consumers and mandated that if a person wants to buy a gun from other than a private individual, he or she has to go to a Federally licensed firearms dealer to buy the gun. The Act also bans unlicensed individuals from acquiring handguns outside their State of residence, although long guns (rifles and shotguns) may (under Federal law) be acquired from Federally licensed firearms dealers located in other States, provided this is allowed by both the State of purchase and the State of residence. So this also doesn't keep guns from law abiding citizens. If you're keeping score, thats 0/2 so far.
-registration restrictions in chicago: do you want to be more specific?
-D.C. gun ban: gun ban is different than gun control. They are not the same.
-Firearm owners protection act of 1986: Prohibits the following from owning guns: Anyone who has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year, anyone who is a fugitive from justice, anyone who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance, anyone who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution, any alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa, anyone who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions, anyone who, having been a citizen of the United states, has renounced his or her citizenship, anyone that is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner, anyone who has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence, a person who is under indictment or information for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year cannot lawfully receive a firearm. Such person may continue to lawfully possess firearms obtained prior to the indictment or information. In other words, criminals and such cannot get guns. You are making a strong case! That's 0/4, yes?
Lautenberg amendment of 1996: prevents people with any ‘domestic violence’ convictions from ever owning a gun. So how does that keep guns from law abiding citizens? It doesn't.

None of the cases you cited were cases involving taking the guns from law abiding citizens. You see tyrany where there is none.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dksuddeth
I did not say that guns are the only form of self defense, just the most effective. Gun controls flaws at this point are that the 'laws' in place only prevent or inhibit law abiding citizens from obtaining them. The only good form of gun control is to enforce heavy punishments upon the criminals who use them illegally.
Wrong. Preventative measures are the only way to save lives. Arming everyone is an act of desperation that only leads to danger and the spread of fear. I know that while we disagree about gun control, we do agree about the current presidency. What is the greatest tool of the Bush administration? Fear. Would you want to use his weapon?
Willravel is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360