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Old 04-08-2006, 04:24 PM   #131 (permalink)
dksuddeth
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Location: bedford, tx
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Originally Posted by nezmot
Yes, having a gun *could* save your life - or, it *could* get you shot. No assumptions there. The mugger is *much* more likely to stop after he is happy that his victim is unarmed - because he doesn't want to be shot in the back as he's running away.
and by stating this, you are telling people to just 'trust in the odds'. If you die, then you die, so sorry, but thats the odds.

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Originally Posted by nezmot
According to your quote from earlier, only between 40% and 60% of them are bothered either way, the rest (the remaining 40%-60%) don't care.
which is all the more reason you should carry to defend yourself. If a criminal is not worried about their victim being armed, its much more likely that they are going to kill you anyway to prevent a witness.

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Originally Posted by nezmot
How do you know? Plus, in a mugging/robbery/crime situation, practice has nothing to do with it. A criminal however is more likely to have experience of someone pointing a gun at them. A criminal is also more likely to have experience of pointing a gun at someone else. Sure, a law-abiding person may be able to hit a target at 50m, but how many crimes are committed at a range of 50m? The psychological effects of pointing/having a gun pointed at you are something it is very hard to train for. This is something that civilians (thankfully) generally have little experience of, in contrast to cops and criminals.
This is all wrong. MOST, not all but most, criminals don't pursue expertise in firearms. They want to be in and out as quick as possible. In an actual crime experience, practice has EVERYTHING to do with it and if criminals actually HAD more experience in having a gun pointed at them(not sure where you actually came up with that one) then they probably would give up being a criminal. A citizen who actively practices at a range doesn't just shoot at 50m targets. they shoot up close and personal also, like 7m and less. Now, the actual dealing of an actual gun being pointed at you/having to point a gun at someone will weed out the ones that shouldn't carry right away. I've met a couple people who got their CCW, actually had to deal with being a crime victim, then store their gun in the closet or outright sell it because they couldn't deal with it. More civilians shoot rounds downrange than most cops. less than 25% of the cops I actually know practice on a weekly basis, unlike civilians who are serious about their self defense. Their are civilians I would rather have covering my back in a hostile situation than I would in having the police there. Criminals? BS. criminals are more experienced in pointing a gun at someone instead of having it pointed at them.

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Originally Posted by nezmot
Furthermore, criminals are perfectly capable of attaining firearms legally too. Nobody has a sticker on their forehead telling the authorities who is a bad guy or a good guy. But it has to be said that obtaining (and carrying) a gun is easier, (either through legal or illegal channels) in states that sell more guns.
All states sell guns, and it's illegal to sell to convicted felons. considering that background checks are also required to buy guns at shops and shows, most criminals get their guns off street sales. It is a very stupid criminal indeed to go out, legally purchase a handgun at a shop or show (they are not cheap) just to use it in a crime when they can buy a practically untraceable gun off the street for less than half the price.
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