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Old 04-06-2006, 04:41 AM   #65 (permalink)
Glory's Sun
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Ok I don't know where the deity factor came in.. but yeah that's not at all what I'm saying. I have <b>absolutly NO belief in a deity</b>.

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And I see from reading this whole thread that there is no use arguing with Guccilvr. I am terribly sorry that you feel that way about death, though I understand from my job that people believe what they need to believe. Feel free to correct me, but I get the feeling that you went through a very painful death of someone you loved deeply, and after that point it sort of cauterized your wound into something you don't want to probe and feel anymore... hence fatalism is easier than dealing with the actuality of death. (I am probably totally reading too much into this, but I have seen similar reactions in other people I know and can only go off "my experience" of what I observed in them.)

Socially and culturally, belief in fatalism seems to occur the most often when people have been stripped of any reason to believe that they have control or power in their lives, usually because of economic reasons or a traumatic event that disturbed them very deeply. Either that or they're Buddhist (believing that everything is impermanent, including life). I saw this quite clearly in Bangkok, when entire families (4-5+ people) would go riding by on tiny scooters at 40, 50 miles an hour... no helmets, no leather pants, nothing. Their lack of care for themselves was attributed to the factors I described above. You could say that they were not afraid of death, but I'd have to say that 1) they didn't have the resources to be more protected (car or even helmets) or even to sit around and debate about what "fatalism" means 2) their lack of power due to poverty and tragedy disconnected them from the reality that loss and sorrow are preventable, and 3) this material and political conditions justified their ideology of fatalism.

Abaya: I've had this belief ever since I was a young boy. My grandmother tells me that when I was 7, I made a statement that I'd be dead before 35. I've said this my entire life. I have lost some close people to me. I accept they are dead and gone but I don't focus on it. I don't go to funeral's I don't go to viewings, I just remember them how they were. It's easier for me that way. I may be exposing some sort of weakness by admitting this but that's just part of who I am. No apologies here.


As far as belief in fatalism goes, I only believe in some sort of fate, when it comes to death. I don't know why, I don't know how, I just do. As far as comments about being deaths bitch etc, I believe I control my own life. I don't believe some higher power orchestrates all the movements of a person or the universe. I can still be in control of my own life and still believe in some sort of reasoning behind death. The reason I can do this is because I understand that while I will die, it's how I choose to live my life that ultimately matters while I'm here. Yeah I'm gonna die, it may be today, it may be 80 years from now. I'm not worried about it one bit. When it happens it happens. There won't be much I can do about it.
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